BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  To Patch or Not To Patch Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Steve Zimmelman Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: To Patch or Not To Patch OK, now that D2006 SP2 has been out for a while, I thought I'd check one last time before deciding whether or not to SP2. I checked the QC log and found the 2 most annoying bugs that I reported were "open", but not fixed. My biggest peeve is the Ctrl+J not working if it's pressed with anything other than a space preceding the short-cut text (#23931). Next on my list is #23891, datamodules popping up in front of everything when any hint is displayed in the IDE in undocked mode. So, for those who have gone to SP2, what's the verdict? ;) Regards, -Steve- Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch Steve Zimmelman wrote: Quote: So, for those who have gone to SP2, what's the verdict? I dont use either of the features you mention that annoy you, I dont use ^J (in fact didnt know what it did ) and I run in docked mode, much as I was a hardened d5 person and initially hated the new ide look, Ive really grown to love it. -- Liz the Brit Delphi things I have released: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings Back to top Steve Zimmelman Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch I find ^J very handy. My most common use would be for things like: FieldByName('').AsString = fbs^J FieldByName('').AsDateTime = fbd^J FieldByName('').AsInteger = fbi^J etc... I tried the docked IDE, but it drove me nuts. I couldn't get used to it. So, I take it your happy with SP2? -Steve- "Liz" <liz_wants_no_spam (AT) xcalibur (DOT) nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:xn0em15xq683yn002 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Steve Zimmelman wrote: So, for those who have gone to SP2, what's the verdict? ;) I dont use either of the features you mention that annoy you, I dont use ^J (in fact didnt know what it did ) and I run in docked mode, much as I was a hardened d5 person and initially hated the new ide look, Ive really grown to love it. -- Liz the Brit Delphi things I have released: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch Steve Zimmelman wrote: Quote: FieldByName('').AsString = fbs^J FieldByName('').AsDateTime = fbd^J FieldByName('').AsInteger = fbi^J Ive always used ctrl+space. Quote: So, I take it your happy with SP2? Very, with the added delphi speed up, it whizzes like a whizzy thing, but my apps faster, easier to look after due to some of the built in refactoring etc all out the packet.. so, yes, very happy -- Liz the Brit Delphi things I have released: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings Back to top Atle Smelvær Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch Quote: Very, with the added delphi speed up, it whizzes like a whizzy thing, but my apps faster, easier to look after due to some of the built in refactoring etc all out the packet.. so, yes, very happy Actually, even though there are issues solved by the update, my experience is that the IDE is more unstable after the update. Also, none of my many open reports was solved by the update. So, it's a fair thing to think about. My laptop does not have the update installed, and I am not going to install it there after what I know from tests on my other machine. And about the hint problem. There are problems with forms appearing in front of the object inspector and editor when they are not supposed to, making designing less productive with extra switching with F11 and F12 to get it back to normal. Even if this is not a problem when you are using embedded designer, people should not be forced to use embedded because of this (and it is certainly not a workaround). So I understand his frustration with this. Still, I know that DevCo is working on more issues as we speak. I also know that they have fixed the speed issue (with form switching). If they release a third update, I guess it will be in there :) The problems with Delphi 2006 are small and it is a very productive environment, so no reason not to buy it. VS2005 is less stable from my experience. -Atle Back to top Steve Zimmelman Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch Thanks Atle. I certainly don't need more instability. I'm already feeling like my productivity is way down from D5. The only thing I found faster in 2006 is the compilation speed. But unfortunately that does not out weigh the time I spend chasing windows or restarting the IDE. -Steve- "Atle Smelvær" <zinvob (AT) sdf (DOT) lonestar.org> wrote in message news:4460fc27$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Very, with the added delphi speed up, it whizzes like a whizzy thing, but my apps faster, easier to look after due to some of the built in refactoring etc all out the packet.. so, yes, very happy Actually, even though there are issues solved by the update, my experience is that the IDE is more unstable after the update. Also, none of my many open reports was solved by the update. So, it's a fair thing to think about. My laptop does not have the update installed, and I am not going to install it there after what I know from tests on my other machine. And about the hint problem. There are problems with forms appearing in front of the object inspector and editor when they are not supposed to, making designing less productive with extra switching with F11 and F12 to get it back to normal. Even if this is not a problem when you are using embedded designer, people should not be forced to use embedded because of this (and it is certainly not a workaround). So I understand his frustration with this. Still, I know that DevCo is working on more issues as we speak. I also know that they have fixed the speed issue (with form switching). If they release a third update, I guess it will be in there :) The problems with Delphi 2006 are small and it is a very productive environment, so no reason not to buy it. VS2005 is less stable from my experience. -Atle Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch Steve Zimmelman wrote: Quote: Thanks Atle. I certainly don't need more instability. I'm already feeling like my productivity is way down from D5. The only thing I found faster in 2006 is the compilation speed. But unfortunately that does not out weigh the time I spend chasing windows or restarting the IDE. I find it odd, as I havent had my ide crash at all, let alone need to chase windows. My ide opens at 7.30am monday, and closes friday lunchtime, it doesnt close during my working week! -- Liz the Brit Delphi things I have released: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings Back to top Stephane Wierzbicki Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch Alan Garny a écrit : Quote: "Liz" <liz_wants_no_spam (AT) xcalibur (DOT) nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:xn0em19jqb5xpw005 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Steve Zimmelman wrote: Thanks Atle. I certainly don't need more instability. I'm already feeling like my productivity is way down from D5. The only thing I found faster in 2006 is the compilation speed. But unfortunately that does not out weigh the time I spend chasing windows or restarting the IDE. I find it odd, as I havent had my ide crash at all, let alone need to chase windows. My ide opens at 7.30am monday, and closes friday lunchtime, it doesnt close during my working week! You are very lucky. Mine has to be restarted at least once a day. Not to mention that if I have some unforeseen memory leak, then the IDE will hang up on me to the point that I have no other choice but to log off (and kill all running processes manually one by one). I believe that the latter problem is related to FastMM4 and BDS2006 maybe having problems working together. Actually, I should have a go at implementing a memory leak without using FastMM... Might prove interesting... Alan. Hi Alan, I'm surprised since I found BDS2006 really stable, I'm working on a middle sized win32 project for 6 month now and so far so good. I'm just curious, but are mainly working on win32 or Delphi .net projects ? Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch "Liz" <liz_wants_no_spam (AT) xcalibur (DOT) nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:xn0em19jqb5xpw005 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Steve Zimmelman wrote: Thanks Atle. I certainly don't need more instability. I'm already feeling like my productivity is way down from D5. The only thing I found faster in 2006 is the compilation speed. But unfortunately that does not out weigh the time I spend chasing windows or restarting the IDE. I find it odd, as I havent had my ide crash at all, let alone need to chase windows. My ide opens at 7.30am monday, and closes friday lunchtime, it doesnt close during my working week! You are very lucky. Mine has to be restarted at least once a day. Not to mention that if I have some unforeseen memory leak, then the IDE will hang up on me to the point that I have no other choice but to log off (and kill all running processes manually one by one). I believe that the latter problem is related to FastMM4 and BDS2006 maybe having problems working together. Actually, I should have a go at implementing a memory leak without using FastMM... Might prove interesting... Alan. Back to top Barry Kelly Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch "Jonathan Benedicto" <invalid (AT) nobody (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: TwineCompiler, blazingly fast C++ compiles on ANY machine: http://www.jomitech.com/#twine I am curious: is this product significantly different from GNU make: make -j <numOfProcessors> ? -- Barry Back to top Jonathan Benedicto Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch Alan Garny wrote: Quote: Otherwise, I can confirm that there seems to be something funny between BDS2006 and FastMM. AFAIK, BDS will automatically use FastMM for your project, so you might be messing something up if you're manually adding it. Jonathan ------------------------ TwineCompiler, blazingly fast C++ compiles on ANY machine: http://www.jomitech.com/#twine ------------------------ Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch "Stephane Wierzbicki" <swierzbicki (AT) fermoba (DOT) fr> wrote in message news:44617de7$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I'm surprised since I found BDS2006 really stable, I'm working on a middle sized win32 project for 6 month now and so far so good. I'm just curious, but are mainly working on win32 or Delphi .net projects ? I am working only with Win32 projects. Otherwise, I can confirm that there seems to be something funny between BDS2006 and FastMM. I just created several small leaks in my application and, if I don't have FastMM included in my project, then it's all "fine", I get back to the IDE without any delay. However, if I FastMM is included in my project, then the IDE (and Windows) hangs up on me, leaving me no choice but to log off... I think I will have to go to b.p.d.language.basm... :) Alan. Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch "Jonathan Benedicto" <invalid (AT) nobody (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4461863a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Alan Garny wrote: Otherwise, I can confirm that there seems to be something funny between BDS2006 and FastMM. AFAIK, BDS will automatically use FastMM for your project, so you might be messing something up if you're manually adding it. BDS2006 does indeed use FastMM, but not the latest version, which I want to use in my project, hence adding it to my project file. This is, if I recall correctly, something that is completely ok to do (dixit Pierre le Riche, FastMM's author). Anyway, I am going to follow that up in b.p.d.language.basm... Alan. Back to top Steve Zimmelman Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch It may be a problem with the undocked mode; especially the "chasing windows" thing. -Steve- "Liz" <liz_wants_no_spam (AT) xcalibur (DOT) nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:xn0em19jqb5xpw005 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Steve Zimmelman wrote: Thanks Atle. I certainly don't need more instability. I'm already feeling like my productivity is way down from D5. The only thing I found faster in 2006 is the compilation speed. But unfortunately that does not out weigh the time I spend chasing windows or restarting the IDE. I find it odd, as I havent had my ide crash at all, let alone need to chase windows. My ide opens at 7.30am monday, and closes friday lunchtime, it doesnt close during my working week! -- Liz the Brit Delphi things I have released: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings Back to top Ingvar Anderberg Guest Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: To Patch or Not To Patch "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> skrev Quote: "Liz" <liz_wants_no_spam (AT) xcalibur (DOT) nospam.co.uk> wrote in message news:xn0em19jqb5xpw005 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... My ide opens at 7.30am monday, and closes friday lunchtime, it doesnt close during my working week! You are very lucky. Mine has to be restarted at least once a day. Not to mention that if I have some unforeseen memory leak, then the IDE will hang up on me to the point that I have no other choice but to log off (and kill all running processes manually one by one). As others has posted before, one source to memory leak is Error Insight in Tools\Options. 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