BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Goto page 1, 2, 3 ... 9, 10, 11  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Ted Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:43 am    Post subject: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Three IDE bugs, a few in VCL / RTL and all the rest fix db comps. Sorry but, is that all ? In QC there are hundrents of serious D7 bugs waiting two years for a fix, and now Borland release just this one ? Ted Back to top Oliver Giesen Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Ted wrote: Quote: Three IDE bugs, a few in VCL / RTL and all the rest fix db comps. Sorry but, is that all ? In QC there are hundrents of serious D7 bugs waiting two years for a fix, and now Borland release just this one ? I'm afraid you couldn't really count that way. You'd probably have to measure the time from when they finished D8.NET . I don't think they had time to do anything on D7 before that... I'd also like to see that multi-monitor bug (#2562) fixed that has existed since D6 and which still keeps me switching back to D5 out of sheer frustration but I guess so everyone else has their pet bugs as well... still hoping it might have been fixed in silence... still couldn't test it though as I couldn't even download the update... (see other thread). Cheers, Oliver Back to top Robert MacLean Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Ted <no (AT) email (DOT) pls> wrote: Quote: In QC there are hundrents of serious D7 bugs waiting two years for a fix as far as I understood it bugs were corrected based on votes. The more votes the higher the likelyness a bug would be fixed. so these were fixed based on what the people wanted. -- Robert MacLean http://www.sadev.co.za Back to top Dave Nottage (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Ted wrote: Quote: Three IDE bugs, a few in VCL / RTL and all the rest fix db comps. Sorry but, is that all ? In QC there are hundrents of serious D7 bugs waiting two years for a fix, and now Borland release just this one ? There were 146 issues addressed in this update. Some of the issues addressed could be considered significant. There are a number of issues outstanding that cannot be addressed in an update using current practices. One of those practices is that updates do not break unit signatures, eg if a fix requires a change to the declaration of a class, it will not be included in an update. It might pay to bear this in mind when entering or voting for reports in QC. Either that, or request that Borland change it's policy on what is included in updates <g> -- Dave Nottage (TeamB) Back to top Ulrich Kobsa Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Ted wrote: Quote: Three IDE bugs, a few in VCL / RTL and all the rest fix db comps. Sorry but, is that all ? In QC there are hundrents of serious D7 bugs waiting two years for a fix, and now Borland release just this one ? Ted Ted, Have you voted on QC for the issues you like to have resolved? <frustration> First people cried for needing a patch and why it lasts so long. Ok, now Borland gives us the patch and now claiming starts why issue xyz isn´t in it. What would happen, when Borland decides to fix all the bugs in previous versions? I´m sure that after some few monthes everyone will ask why Borland doesn´t release Delphi 9. </frustration> just my own opinion. Ulrich -- Ulrich Kobsa Posted using XanaNews 1.16.3.1 Back to top Dave Nottage (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Dave Nottage (TeamB) wrote: Quote: eg if a fix requires a change to the declaration of a class arrghh.. I meant to add: "in the interface section" Anyway, a change in unit signature probably includes most changes to the interface section of a unit. -- Dave Nottage (TeamB) Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Quote: I'm afraid you couldn't really count that way. You'd probably have to measure the time from when they finished D8.NET . I don't think they had time to do anything on D7 before that... That logic seems odd to me. You think that they shouldn't support their product from the date when they release it? Lauchlan M Back to top Oliver Giesen Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Lauchlan M wrote: Quote: I'm afraid you couldn't really count that way. You'd probably have to measure the time from when they finished D8.NET . I don't think they had time to do anything on D7 before that... That logic seems odd to me. You think that they shouldn't support their product from the date when they release it? No, that's not what I wrote at all. I was just pointing out that you shouldn't look at the update as "that's all they've managed to produce in two years time?!" but rather "that's all they've managed to produce in six months time?!"... ;) Cheers, Oliver Back to top Dave Nottage (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Oliver Giesen wrote: Quote: No, that's not what I wrote at all. I was just pointing out that you shouldn't look at the update as "that's all they've managed to produce in two years time?!" but rather "that's all they've managed to produce in six months time?!"... I expect Lachlan meant that there is the possibility that they could work on both simultaneously. That would probably have meant that D8 would have shipped even later, which probably would have been OK for those not interested in D8. Bottom line is that you can please more people if you have resources that you don't really have <g> -- Dave Nottage (TeamB) Back to top Colin Wilson Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Ted wrote: Quote: Three IDE bugs, a few in VCL / RTL and all the rest fix db comps. Sorry but, is that all ? In QC there are hundrents of serious D7 bugs waiting two years for a fix, and now Borland release just this one ? Hmmm. Let's have a look at my 'QC' reported bugs... 6582 - Definition for TranslateCharsetInfo is wrong in Windows.pas Not fixed in D7.1 5632 - THashedStringList ignores NameValueSeparator property Fixed in D7.1! 2382 - TListView doesn't update correctly in OwnerData mode. Not fixed in D7.1. That sucks. It's an irritating bug, and would have been trivial to fix. 2362 - 'Help On Help' doesn't work as expected Not fixed in D7.1 2361 - 'OnHelp' prevents help system from working. Not fixed in D7.1 2282 - Move, Size & Maximize missing from taskbar popup menu in Delphi apps Not fixed in D7.1. Not that I expected it to be! 544 - BRCC does not allow a dot in resource names Not fixed in D7.1. Probably because hell hasn't yet frozen over. So 1 fix for 7 bug reports. Go QC - Go!!!! -- Colin - using XanaNews HTTP Transport e-mail :colin (AT) wilsonc (DOT) demon.co.uk web: http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/delphi.htm Posted with XanaNews 1.16.3.1 Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Colin Wilson wrote: Quote: 544 - BRCC does not allow a dot in resource names Not fixed in D7.1. Probably because hell hasn't yet frozen over. I imagine you are correct. :) -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] · Vertex Systems Corp. · Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://delphi.weblogs.com Useful articles about InterBase and Delphi development: http://delphi.weblogs.com/articles Back to top marc hoffman Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Dave, Quote: There were 146 issues addressed in this update. Some of the issues addressed could be considered significant. and here i was under the impression, all this time, that Delphi 7 didn't /have/ any significant bugs... ;-P Back to top Colin Wilson Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Colin Wilson wrote: Quote: 6582 - Definition for TranslateCharsetInfo is wrong in Windows.pas Not fixed in D7.1 .... maybe because it would change the interface - which is fair enough I guess... -- Colin - using XanaNews HTTP Transport e-mail :colin (AT) wilsonc (DOT) demon.co.uk web: http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/delphi.htm Posted with XanaNews 1.16.3.1 Back to top Robert Cerny Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? "Dave Nottage (TeamB)" <dnottage (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote Quote: Bottom line is that you can please more people if you have resources that you don't really have Fixing bugs really does not require much resources. QA, thorough testing is the thing that requires some significant resources. Borland does not allocate much resources for QA, so this job is done by customers, so they should at least allocate minimal resources to fix reported bugs (usually well narrowed problems). But Borland has typical enterprise organizational problems, too big adminitration, so every slightest change must go through tons of paperwork. Consequently, a developer needs few minutes to hours for fix things and test fixes and then months to push it over all paperwork. This is also very frustrating for developers. -- Robert Cerny DelphiShaman Back to top Peter Sirca Guest Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Update 1: Is that all after two years ? Quote: 6582 - Definition for TranslateCharsetInfo is wrong in Windows.pas Not fixed in D7.1 ... maybe because it would change the interface - which is fair enough I guess... 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