BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Matthew Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:20 pm    Post subject: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Hey people. I'm upgrading to BCB6 Pro. I'm about to place the purchase right now, but the rep I'm talking to doesn't know whether I use the BCB4 install key when installing the upgrade... Anyone know? Thanks. Back to top Yu-Chen Hsueh Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Matthew, The upgrade should come with its own Serial Number. -- YH -- -- Please confine your posts to the newsgroups and DO NOT reply to this e-mail account unless asked. Any unsolicted e-mail will be ignored. Back to top Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Upgrading from BCB4 --> BCB6!... Why? Didn't you hear that Borland no longer support BCB? Don't waste your money. Quote: Hey people. I'm upgrading to BCB6 Pro. I'm about to place the purchase right now, but the rep I'm talking to doesn't know whether I use the BCB4 install key when installing the upgrade... Anyone know? Thanks. Back to top Leroy Casterline Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? <zoom> wrote: Quote: Upgrading from BCB4 --> BCB6!... Why? Didn't you hear that Borland no longer support BCB? Don't waste your money. Perhaps because BCB6 is a significant improvement over BCB4, especially now that the linker has been fixed. Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Leroy Casterline <casterle (AT) ccltd (DOT) com> writes: Quote: zoom> wrote: Upgrading from BCB4 --> BCB6!... Why? Didn't you hear that Borland no longer support BCB? Don't waste your money. Perhaps because BCB6 is a significant improvement over BCB4, especially now that the linker has been fixed. Or perhaps as the immortal Phineas Taylor Barnum is supposed to have said, " There is a sucker born every minute". Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? I R T, If a vendor has a later version that will make me more productive I usually buy it. Why not? If the money spent will be paid back in time saved and increased productivity then it makes no sense to stick with the old version. Right now I see no C++ dev tool for making Win32 GUI apps. Delphi is better once we remove the C++ constraint. But I like C++ better and also it fits with all the other work I do that has to be in C++. So I use BCB. BCB v6 is obviously better than v4 or v3. Why use the older versions? The only reason I could see to do so is if your time spent on BCB is not all that much time or if your time is not that valuable. Also, I'm betting that there will be a BCB v9. My odds are on the order of 60:40. But with the linker release seemingly motivated by a desire to keep existing BCB users happy that suggests I ought to up my odds to 70:30. I R T wrote: Quote: Leroy Casterline <casterle (AT) ccltd (DOT) com> writes: zoom> wrote: Upgrading from BCB4 --> BCB6!... Why? Didn't you hear that Borland no longer support BCB? Don't waste your money. Perhaps because BCB6 is a significant improvement over BCB4, especially now that the linker has been fixed. Or perhaps as the immortal Phineas Taylor Barnum is supposed to have said, " There is a sucker born every minute". Back to top Lester Caine Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Randall Parker wrote: Quote: If a vendor has a later version that will make me more productive I usually buy it. Why not? If the money spent will be paid back in time saved and increased productivity then it makes no sense to stick with the old version. I bought Builder6 when it came out some years ago, but I still use Builder5 because Builder6 annoyed me with it's silly little changes of layout ( Tabbed sections of a file are a pain ). It was also slower so I was LESS productive. So I have never recouped the expense :) Quote: Right now I see no C++ dev tool for making Win32 GUI apps. Delphi is better once we remove the C++ constraint. But I like C++ better and also it fits with all the other work I do that has to be in C++. So I use BCB. BCB6 is not even listed on the Borland Shop now anyway .... Only C++BuilderX Quote: BCB v6 is obviously better than v4 or v3. Why use the older versions? The only reason I could see to do so is if your time spent on BCB is not all that much time or if your time is not that valuable. I've had all 4 versions - the upgrade from 4 to 5 happened because I was TOLD by Borland that I would need it to fix problems they were not going to fix in V4. V5 didn't fix them either so I would have been better sticking with 4 !!! Quote: Also, I'm betting that there will be a BCB v9. My odds are on the order of 60:40. But with the linker release seemingly motivated by a desire to keep existing BCB users happy that suggests I ought to up my odds to 70:30. I'm not holding my breath I'm betting Eclipse will have a stable VCL package before Borland stop faffing around. -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Back to top Alisdair Meredith (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Lester Caine wrote: Quote: ( Tabbed sections of a file are a pain ). I thought so when first having to use them too. Not sure when my opinion changed, but I really wouldn't like to lose this feature now! It is worth the effort of learning to live with <g> [At least, if you plan on editting multiple files] Of course, first you need persuading that BCB6 is a worthwhile upgrade in the first place... (We made the switch because we needed the linker patches) AlisdairM(TeamB) Back to top Andrue Cope [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Lester Caine wrote: Quote: Builder6 annoyed me with it's silly little changes of layout ( Tabbed sections of a file are a pain ). Tabbed sections? Do you mean the grouping of header and CPP? I /love/ that feature and it's something our VS users wish their IDE had. Quote: It was also slower so I was LESS productive. So I have never recouped the expense You have to remove the HDP files from BCB6 since they cripple the compiler. For a while we ran BCB6 and BCB5 side by side (development and current release builds) and there didn't seem any difference in performance. I know some people regard BCB6 as a step backward but I honestly cannot agree with that assessment. It wasn't a major step forward but anyone using BCB4 or earlier is doing themselves a disfavour by not upgrading. BCB5 users have less to crow about but I'd still recommend they upgrade if they have money left in the budget. For one thing IIRC watches did get a major improvement in performance. Under BCB5 any out of scope watch slowed stepping down to a crawl rendering them almost useless. In BCB6 you can have over a dozen out of scope watches before suffering any kind of slow down while stepping. -- Andrue Cope [TeamB] [Bicester, Uk] http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html Back to top Lester Caine Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Alisdair Meredith (TeamB) wrote: Quote: Lester Caine wrote: ( Tabbed sections of a file are a pain ). I thought so when first having to use them too. Not sure when my opinion changed, but I really wouldn't like to lose this feature now! It is worth the effort of learning to live with [At least, if you plan on editting multiple files] Doing all the editing in Eclipse now so it does not matter ;) Quote: Of course, first you need persuading that BCB6 is a worthwhile upgrade in the first place... (We made the switch because we needed the linker patches) The copy is still on the system, and the new linker patch may be worth the change, but I've moved on too far now to go backwards :) -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Back to top Lester Caine Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Andrue Cope [TeamB] wrote: Quote: You have to remove the HDP files from BCB6 since they cripple the compiler. For a while we ran BCB6 and BCB5 side by side (development and current release builds) and there didn't seem any difference in performance. Been through that many moons ago. Bottom line compiling a the same project with a clean Builder6 project file is slower in B6 than the B5 version when run on the same machine. About 40% slower even on incremental builds. Yes moving from B3 or B4 to B6 is worth the effort, but B5 is more productive on the projects I did try moving which is why I gave up in the end :) However since B6 is no longer available isn't this academic ? -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Back to top Alisdair Meredith (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Lester Caine wrote: Quote: However since B6 is no longer available isn't this academic ? Are you sure? I know that it is unreasonably hard to find, but I just checked and found it still for sale. Use the 'search' box and type in: C++Builder 6 Note the two plusses and the space. This turns up various versions, including new user, upgrades and trials. AlisdairM(TeamB) Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? Randall Parker <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> writes: Quote: If a vendor has a later version that will make me more productive I usually buy it The question is whether BCB 6 will make you more productive than BCB 4. That is a moot point. Back to top Yu-Chen Hsueh Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? BCB6 is available from the Borland online store (http://shop.borland.com/) but listed under the C++BuilderX section. -- YH -- -- Please confine your posts to the newsgroups and DO NOT reply to this e-mail account unless asked. Any unsolicted e-mail will be ignored. Back to top Roddy Pratt Guest Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Upgrading from BCB4 to BCB6 - Which key to use? "Yu-Chen Hsueh" <ychsueh (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote Quote: BCB6 is available from the Borland online store but listed under the C++BuilderX section. I assumed it was some different product at first, but is seems that "Borland C++ Builder Studio" is actually BCB6? What's with the "studio" suffix anyway? 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