BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Vapour Paper? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Kevin Guest Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 1:54 pm    Post subject: Vapour Paper? This Open Letter is becoming vapourware itself. This is actually quite hilarious. Borland is building up such hype around an Open Letter than in itself is basically a vapourware announcement- i.e. the product won't be delivered for quite a while yet (no doubt). Has Borland reached a new level? Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? Kevin wrote: Quote: Borland is building up such hype around an Open Letter ... Actually, I think we're the ones building the hype - they've barely said anything at all... <g> -Brion Back to top zedd Guest Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? Quote: Actually, I think we're the ones building the hype - they've barely said anything at all... That's an obvious way (the only?) to pressure Borland. Z Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? zedd wrote: Quote: That's an obvious way (the only?) to pressure Borland. No, it's not. The single most effective way to pressure Borland is to present them a big fat check, along with your requirements for the second, preferably bigger & fatter, check. I wouldn't be surprised if the Oracle deal for JBuilder provided the necessary funds to get it up to speed. -Brion Back to top Kevin Guest Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? Brion L. Webster wrote: Quote: Actually, I think we're the ones building the hype - they've barely said anything at all... I guess you're right. Although when Anders mentioned the letter on his blog that didn't help... http://urljr.com/ch1 short for: http://homepages.borland.com/aohlsson/blog_beta/archive/2004_05_02_archive#108403199207353987 Cheers, Kevin. Back to top zedd Guest Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? Well, with a big check, at some point the question the becomes wether you should give the check to Borland or just use the money to pluck the personnel to do it... Of course, if you have really deep pockets like MS, you can turn Borland from competitor into lapdog and pluck out their personnel at the same time. Z Back to top Anders Ohlsson (Borland) Guest Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? Quote: This is actually quite hilarious. Actually it's not. It's quite sad. I don't know what to tell you. The open letter is coming. The product is being worked on. -- Anders Ohlsson - Borland Developer Relations - http://bdn.borland.com/ Borland Software Corporation - http://www.borland.com/ - Excellence Endures Enabling our customers to move into the future without abandoning their past http://homepages.borland.com/aohlsson/blog_beta/ http://homepages.borland.com/aohlsson/blog_beta/#disclaimer Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? It was the best thing you could have said Anders. We appreciate your update. After 3 weeks without a word out, we started to worry that probably Borland has gone back to the sleeping mode. If they are working on the product, I am happy. With best regards, Boian Anders Ohlsson (Borland) wrote: Quote: This is actually quite hilarious. Actually it's not. It's quite sad. I don't know what to tell you. The open letter is coming. The product is being worked on. Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? "Anders Ohlsson (Borland)" <aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Actually it's not. It's quite sad. Agreed. Quote: I don't know what to tell you. The open letter is coming. The product is being worked on. Which product? Quote: Enabling our customers to move into the future without abandoning their past I don't think I'll touch this comment... Back to top Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? "Boian Mitov" <mitov (AT) mitov (DOT) com> wrote Quote: It was the best thing you could have said Anders. We appreciate your update. After 3 weeks without a word out, we started to worry that probably Borland has gone back to the sleeping mode. If they are working on the product, I am happy. No, no, you don't get it. The Open Letter *IS* the product. Bwahahahahaha...... ;-) Dave Back to top Leroy Casterline Guest Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? "Dave Jewell" <Dave.Jewell (AT) btclick (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: No, no, you don't get it. The Open Letter *IS* the product. And it's in pre-alpha. Back to top Tom Guest Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:56 am    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? Quote: The product is being worked on. But what product? Quote: Enabling our customers to move into the future without abandoning their past How can you say this and abandon BCB? Why is BCB not Borland's competitor to MS C#.net? BCB has the customer base needed to compete with C#.net. Borland has spent considerable time developing it. It fits the definition of a competitor to C#.net namely it has the strengths of a high level language namely Delphi and C++. Why was the ugly ducking killed when we were finally able to call it a goose. Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? Tom wrote: Quote: The product is being worked on. But what product? Enabling our customers to move into the future without abandoning their past How can you say this and abandon BCB? Since they have already stated they are working on the next BCB, they haven't abandoned them. Quote: Why is BCB not Borland's competitor to MS C#.net? Because C# and C++ are very different languages. Their syntax may look the same, but so does C and C++, that doesn't mean they are the same. Quote: BCB has the customer base needed to compete with C#.net. Really, so what is the BCB unit sale count for BCB5 or BCB6. Since you have no idea how big the customer base is I don't know how you can make this assertion. Quote: Borland has spent considerable time developing it. It fits the definition of a competitor to C#.net namely it has the strengths of a high level language namely Delphi and C++. BCB is C++. So yes it fits the description o being C++. Quote: Why was the ugly ducking killed when we were finally able to call it a goose. Since Borland has leaked that BCB is currently being worked on I don't see how you can call it killed. -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. (RAH) Back to top Tom Guest Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Why is BCB not Borland's competitor to MS C#.net? Because C# and C++ are very different languages. Their syntax may look the same, but so does C and C++, that doesn't mean they are the same. I naturally assumed that since BCB 6 was developed from a Delphi base that it had some of Delphi's strengths or at least could have been given them relatively easily. Am I wrong? If so I can see your point. Quote: BCB has the customer base needed to compete with C#.net. Really, so what is the BCB unit sale count for BCB5 or BCB6. Since you have no idea how big the customer base is I don't know how you can make this assertion. I assumed that Borland had already done the analysis to find out if there was enough potential customers for a product like BC#B. Are you saying they didn't? Quote: Borland has spent considerable time developing it. It fits the definition of a competitor to C#.net namely it has the strengths of a high level language namely Delphi and C++. BCB is C++. So yes it fits the description o being C++. As I said earlier I made an assumption based on what I have read about BCB 6. I thought that since the Developers had a Delphi base that some of Delphi's strengths naturally would have leaked into it. Quote: Why was the ugly ducking killed when we were finally able to call it a goose. Since Borland has leaked that BCB is currently being worked on I don't see how you can call it killed. You mean that BCB6 is going to have successor? That is good to hear. By the way I do not consider BCX to be a successor to BCB6 because it does not have the necessary Delphi base. Do not get me wrong I think BCX is a great idea in theory. Being able to translate a program easily from one OS to another would be great. For example, translating a MS program to OS X, Apples OS, or Linux would be fantastic it would increase the potential customer base maybe not a lot but every little bit helps. Tom Back to top Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: Vapour Paper? Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote: Quote: Why was the ugly ducking killed when we were finally able to call it a goose. Since Borland has leaked that BCB is currently being worked on I don't see how you can call it killed. Since only leaks came out, the second open letter is no more, and the third is already delayed, this gives ample room to speculation. 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