BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  VCL Open Source Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Bob Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 11:44 am    Post subject: VCL Open Source Why doesn't Borland open source VCL? That might just shut everyone up. Back to top Martin Waldenburg Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source Bob schrieb: Quote: Why doesn't Borland open source VCL? That might just shut everyone up. they did it already by open sourcing the CLX version. There is absolutely no hindrance to rewrite it to use the native Windows API or whatever else. Martin Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source Major source of revenue? G. Back to top R.F. Pels Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:54 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source Bob wrote: Quote: Why doesn't Borland open source VCL? That might just shut everyone up. That would work if they also open sourced the RAD GUI. And they won't. -- Ruurd Back to top Bob Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source I thought the dropped VCL? "Graham Reeds" <grahamr (AT) omnieng (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Major source of revenue? G. Back to top Bob Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source You don't have to use the IDE to write a VCL application. "R.F. Pels" <spamtrap (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote Quote: Bob wrote: Why doesn't Borland open source VCL? That might just shut everyone up. That would work if they also open sourced the RAD GUI. And they won't. -- Ruurd Back to top Bob Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source CLX and VCL are not the same. "Martin Waldenburg" <Martin.Waldenburg (AT) T-Onlind (DOT) de> wrote Quote: Bob schrieb: Why doesn't Borland open source VCL? That might just shut everyone up. they did it already by open sourcing the CLX version. There is absolutely no hindrance to rewrite it to use the native Windows API or whatever else. Martin Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source "Bob" <Bob (AT) NoSpam (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Why doesn't Borland open source VCL? That might just shut everyone up. Delphi? Back to top Robert Love Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source Quote: I thought the dropped VCL? VCL is very much alive and well in Delphi. Delphi 8 shipped with a version of the VCL for .NET Why did you think they dropped it? Robert Love -- My Blog: http://peakxml.com Utah Delphi Users Group: http://www.slcdug.org Free .Text Blog site (If your support Delphi) http://blogs.slcdug.org Back to top R.F. Pels Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source Bob wrote: Quote: Why doesn't Borland open source VCL? That might just shut everyone up. That would work if they also open sourced the RAD GUI. And they won't. You don't have to use the IDE to write a VCL application. True, but that would reduce the value of the VCL to a fraction of what it is worth in terms of productivity. -- Ruurd Back to top Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source R.F. Pels wrote: Quote: You don't have to use the IDE to write a VCL application. True, but that would reduce the value of the VCL to a fraction of what it is worth in terms of productivity. 'Xactly. -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Bob Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source I don't use Delphi. I forgot. "Robert Love" <rloveno (AT) spamslcdug (DOT) org> wrote Quote: I thought the dropped VCL? VCL is very much alive and well in Delphi. Delphi 8 shipped with a version of the VCL for .NET Why did you think they dropped it? Robert Love -- My Blog: http://peakxml.com Utah Delphi Users Group: http://www.slcdug.org Free .Text Blog site (If your support Delphi) http://blogs.slcdug.org Back to top Bob Guest Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source When I did use VCL, I had so many problems with the IDE that I stopped using it and coded the VCL components by hand. "Kenneth de Camargo" <INVERT:rb.moc.arret@jcrk> wrote Quote: R.F. Pels wrote: You don't have to use the IDE to write a VCL application. True, but that would reduce the value of the VCL to a fraction of what it is worth in terms of productivity. 'Xactly. -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source Bob wrote: Quote: When I did use VCL, I had so many problems with the IDE that I stopped using it and coded the VCL components by hand. Good for you. -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Alisdair Meredith Guest Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: VCL Open Source Bob wrote: Quote: Why doesn't Borland open source VCL? That might just shut everyone up. I suspect there are serious problems with patent lawyers if Borland did this. But even if we got that far, it is not enough. In addition to VCL, we need all the compiler extensions that VCL uses. Right now I am much less interested in a revised VCL (V6 works very nicely for me) than I am in a revised compiler, which will let me use current VCL with regular C++ code. Open sourcing VCL does not leave me any better off. Besides, by some definitions VCL is already open sourced. You get the full source when you buy the product. Borland has been an Open Source pioneer since the early days of OWL and Turbo Vision. If it wasn't for this, OWLNext could not exists as a project. 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