BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Vista - Is this the end for BCB6          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Tom Byars Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:32 am    Post subject: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 Installed BCB6 on my new vaio vista laptop. It installed OK but, you can no longer access the help files as ms no longer support .hlp files (there will apparently be a ms download available at a later date to allow them to be shown). It's a while since BCB was updated and I'm sure I read somewhere that Borland would no longer be updating it so, is this the parting of the ways. Are we now faced with having to choose between the lengthy migration to e.g. ms visual c++ or stagnation? Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45e86db3$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: It's a while since BCB was updated Have you not looked at the BDS suite yet? That is the present and future of BCB. It is already on the market today. Gambit Back to top Tom Byars Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 I did see that Remy but it struck me that only the BCB6 would be any use to me and I didn't read about any commitment to continue upgrading BCB. Maybe I've got this wrong but, I thought it was maybe a sneaky way of gradually guiding us BCB clients over to Delphi. "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote in message news:45e88290 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45e86db3$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... It's a while since BCB was updated Have you not looked at the BDS suite yet? That is the present and future of BCB. It is already on the market today. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45e8a95a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I did see that Remy but it struck me that only the BCB6 would be any use to me and I didn't read about any commitment to continue upgrading BCB. BDS 2006 (and also Turbo C++, which is a slimmed down BDS) is the upgrade for the BCB product line. Quote: Maybe I've got this wrong but, I thought it was maybe a sneaky way of gradually guiding us BCB clients over to Delphi. No. BDS 2006 includes full C++ support, with up-to-date code editor and VCL components. I guess you di not read all of the public announcements that Borland made about C++ when BDS was first released. Gambit Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 In article <45e8a95a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Maybe I've got this wrong but, I thought it was maybe a sneaky way of gradually guiding us BCB clients over to Delphi. That isn't going to happen while I'm around. We're taking C++ very seriously. C++ users are very important to CodeGear. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top Tom Byars Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 Thanks. You've put my mend at rest. "David Dean [CodeGear]" <david.dean.no (AT) spam (DOT) codegear.com> wrote in message news:david.dean.no-181150.15103402032007 (AT) killface (DOT) local... Quote: In article <45e8a95a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Maybe I've got this wrong but, I thought it was maybe a sneaky way of gradually guiding us BCB clients over to Delphi. That isn't going to happen while I'm around. We're taking C++ very seriously. C++ users are very important to CodeGear. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/ Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 In article <45e8c2fb$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Thanks. You've put my mend at rest. I seriously hope that you won't just take my word for it. I cannot wait until you can try out the next version of our C++ tools. We've put a lot of work in, and have more to go, but I do expect many people will view our next release to be a great improvement. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top Tom Byars Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 David, are you talking about a new version of BCB and will it be available seperately (i.e. outwith the BD suite). "David Dean [CodeGear]" <david.dean.no (AT) spam (DOT) codegear.com> wrote in message news:david.dean.no-CE2E3E.17403802032007 (AT) killface (DOT) local... Quote: In article <45e8c2fb$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Thanks. You've put my mend at rest. I seriously hope that you won't just take my word for it. I cannot wait until you can try out the next version of our C++ tools. We've put a lot of work in, and have more to go, but I do expect many people will view our next release to be a great improvement. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/ Back to top Tom Byars Guest Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 I've been looking at what was the Borland homepage. I no longer have a clue what I want (get BDS or wait for BCB7) or if Borland is even Borland anymore. Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 In article <45e99c8b$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: I've been looking at what was the Borland homepage. I no longer have a clue what I want (get BDS or wait for BCB7) or if Borland is even Borland anymore. BDS 2006 is what you might informally call BCB7. There is something new on the horizon though. My personal recommendation would be to buy what you need for right now. (and if you don't need anything *right now*, then wait) When you do make a purchase, consider buying support and maintenance when you do. That will provide you with the newest versions while it is in force. Borland is still Borland. (though some might argue the Borland of today is not the Borland of a decade ago) The exciting thing is that the division of Borland that created BCB, Delphi, and other important developer tools has been spun out as an independently run subsidiary called CodeGear. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 In article <45e97ebd$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: David, are you talking about a new version of BCB and will it be available seperately (i.e. outwith the BD suite). Sort of. Yes, there is a new version of our C++ tools coming. The rest is a bit more nuanced. The C++ tools are a member of the suite family. (Just as Delphi is) But we have been proceeding in what might be called a staged approach. The Delphi (Win32) tools are to be released soon, C++ will come later, and the full suite after that. -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top Tom Byars Guest Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 David, thanks for the reply. Looking at the Borland products page makes me feel inadequate as I've no idea what most of the products are about. I'm also left wondering though why the BDS doesn't even warrant a mention on the products page if it's such a sublime product. Back to top David Dean [CodeGear] Guest Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:53 am    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 In article <45eaafbb (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Tom Byars" <tam118118 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: David, thanks for the reply. Looking at the Borland products page makes me feel inadequate as I've no idea what most of the products are about. I'm also left wondering though why the BDS doesn't even warrant a mention on the products page if it's such a sublime product. Try this web site instead: <http://www.codegear.com> -- -David Dean CodeGear C++ QA Engineer <http://blogs.codegear.com/ddean/> Back to top Tom Byars Guest Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Vista - Is this the end for BCB6 Thanks David. Things are a fair bit clearer now. 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