BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Visual Language          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Alexander Adam Guest Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:52 pm    Post subject: Visual Language hi, I'm looking for some visual programming languages out there, including an environment for creating them, any links? thanks, alex Back to top Herbert Sitz Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: Visual Language "Alexander Adam" <nospam (AT) please (DOT) com> wrote Quote: hi, I'm looking for some visual programming languages out there, including an environment for creating them, any links? thanks, alex You'll find a little bit of info in this Joel on Software discussion thread: http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=1993&ixReplies=13 Back to top Kris Golko Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Language Alexander Adam wrote: Quote: hi, I'm looking for some visual programming languages out there, including an environment for creating them, any links? I'm afraid, none is available form Borland at the momemnt. Back to top Charles Line Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Language "Herbert Sitz" Quote: You'll find a little bit of info in this Joel on Software discussion thread: http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=1993&ixReplies=13 Interesting. Anyone remember a little experiment in deviant programming called Double Helix. A Mac only thingy this that I had to use to produce a registration and ticketing system for an exhibition. It had only just been released and someone had the bright idea that the first ever MacUser show in the UK would benefit from the use of such radical and innovative technology. What a showcase! Unfortunately I also had to make this work on a network of Macs served by the ONLY MacII in the country that nobody had ever seen before. I had 2 weeks. Oh yes. You can see it coming, can't you. Suffice it to say that there were, umm, teething problems when the exhibition opened. I made it work, 'though, and got through the event without having a heart attack..Although it was close. Which brings me to the point. The problem with visual programming (and I mean the BIG problem) is fitting the information on the screen in a readable way. What takes up about a vertical inch of screen real-estate in text is the equivalent of an A3 page when done visually. Debugging this nightmare is, frankly, a nightmare. thanfully we now have large monitors and decent resolutions. I had to work with this on a 12" screen at 800x600. If you want to see what I'm talking about, some people are still enthusiastic about the thing: http://www.helixtech.com/1Product/index.html and this illustrates perfectly the problem I'm talking about: http://www.helixtech.com/1Product/helix6/ See the screenshots? NEVER AGAIN!! NEVER. Back to top John Wester [Group W] Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Language In article <4107ca81 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, [email]charles (AT) ihatespamwithpsychoticintensity (DOT) clsinternal.nott[/email]hisbittakeitout. net says... Quote: snip Anyone remember a little experiment in deviant programming called Double Helix. A Mac only thingy this that I had to use to produce a registration and ticketing system for an exhibition. It had only just been released and someone had the bright idea that the first ever MacUser show in the UK would benefit from the use of such radical and innovative technology. What a showcase! Unfortunately I also had to make this work on a network of Macs served by the ONLY MacII in the country that nobody had ever seen before. I had 2 weeks. Oh yes. You can see it coming, can't you. snip NEVER AGAIN!! NEVER. AYUP! Deviant programming is an understatement. Way back when, a company I owned was an Odesta var for ODMS, their document management system. Remember the Option 0 post? <shudders>. And try slinging tiles on a Mac SE/30 with that wonderfully large screen. The only way to do anything productive was to have a full page display hooked up. Never again. Never. -- John Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts Back to top Horst Reichert Guest Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: Visual Language Hi Alex, do you mean something like "g" from National Instruments ? http://www.ni.com/software/ regards Horst Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Language At 17:55:54, 28.07.2004, Charles Line wrote: Quote: http://www.helixtech.com/1Product/helix6/ See the screenshots? "Here is a shot of the new baby throwing up all over the nursery:" LOL! -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -- Thomas Watson (1874-1956), Chairman of IBM, 1943 Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Language Helix went into bankruptcy. http://www.helixtech.com/3EverythingElse/index.html "2004.07.14--The chain of events that began one morning this past January has finally come full circle. In a move endorsed by the Helix Recovery Team, a private investor has purchased Helix® Software Technologies out of bankruptcy in Southern California. Our new company is called QSA ToolWorks, LLC." Back to top Charles Line Guest Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Language "I R T" Quote: Helix went into bankruptcy. They should just let it die already. It's a mercy killing. Back to top John Wester [Group W] Guest Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Language In article <410922df (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, [email]charles (AT) ihatespamwithpsychoticintensity (DOT) clsinternal.nott[/email]hisbittakeitout. net says... Quote: "I R T" Helix went into bankruptcy. They should just let it die already. It's a mercy killing. When I worked with the technology, it had a fanatical following. The fervor was cultish. People who bought into the mindset of the technology really "drank the kool-aid". -- John Life is complex. It has real and imaginary parts Back to top Charles Line Guest Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Visual Language "John Wester [Group W]" Quote: When I worked with the technology, it had a fanatical following. The fervor was cultish. People who bought into the mindset of the technology really "drank the kool-aid". Yeah, that would sum up the idealism with which my boss at that time (1986 or so) adopted it and made me suckle noxious milk from its cracked and supurrating teat. Would he accept it was a dog? Pah! Fat chance. 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