BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Way to Go-Delphi E Books          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Venkatesh VT Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Today I bought my second Delphi e book '.Net 2 for Delphi programmers' from http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10000 ..The first one was Alois's E Book. I plan to print the book & read it.The biggest advantage of e books is there is no delay in ordering & it is cheaper too.In many cases the printed version is not even available every where. The new DevCo should seriously consider sponsoring Delphi authors in publishing e books. It will be a win win situation for every one ie DevCo,Author & customers. Venkatesh Back to top Jon Shemitz Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Venkatesh VT wrote: Quote: Today I bought my second Delphi e book '.Net 2 for Delphi programmers' from http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10000 Thank you. Quote: I plan to print the book & read it.The biggest advantage of e books is there is no delay in ordering & it is cheaper too. An e-book does arrive faster than a real book but not all THAT much faster. My sweetie got Amazon Prime this year, and it's pretty nifty, imho. (Yes, I do own Amazon stock. Why do you ask? ) I can impulsively click on a book and have it in two days, usually at a discount from list, and without paying sales tax or shipping. I'm not so sure about the cheaper, though, at least if you print every page. It has to cost less than 5.5 cents/page to be cheaper to print every page than to buy a printed copy, and I don't think that either laser or inkjet printers run quite that cheap. Plus, I'd sure rather have a nicely bound hardcover book than an ungainly collection of 8.5x11 pages. The real advantage of an e-book, imho, is that you can copy-and-paste snippets from the pdf to your code. (Ideally, Google Desktop could index your pdf-s for you, too, but most e-books are encrypted, so that doesn't work.) It's also nice that you can have it open beside your IDE (in a multi-monitor, desktop environment) or can toggle between the two (on a laptop, when you're working in a cramped space like a plane or train). -- ..NET 2.0 for Delphi Programmers <http://www.midnightbeach.com/.net> Delphi skills make .NET easy to learn Just printed, and shipping now. Back to top Jon Shemitz Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Jacob Thurman wrote: Quote: my laser printer (Brother HL-5250DN) has a typical cost per page of around 2.4 cents. PC Magazine's review said 1.4 cents, but in my experience it's a little more than that.... In any case, it's well below your 5.5 cents per page mark, so if you're looking for a printer that beats that, I'd wholeheartedly recommend this one. Wow. It wouldn't be the first (or last) time I've been wrong, but that's quite a difference - it's been a while since I shopped for a printer, but I didn't think printers ran that cheap. Does that 2.4 cents include paper, toner, electricity, and the cost of the printer amortized over the number of pages it will print before wearing out? -- ..NET 2.0 for Delphi Programmers <http://www.midnightbeach.com/.net> Delphi skills make .NET easy to learn Just printed, and shipping now. Back to top Jacob Thurman Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Quote: Does that 2.4 cents include paper, toner, electricity, and the cost of the printer amortized over the number of pages it will print before wearing out? Well, I didn't consider the cost of electricity. :) Here's the breakdown: The longest-lasting part is the drum, which will do 25,000 pages. Replacement cost is $120. A 7,000 page toner cartridge costs $62, or about $221 for 25,000 pages. Unless you like specialty paper (which I don't care for most of the time), paper costs around $25 for 5000 sheets, or $125 for 25,000 sheets, though you could consider it $62.50 for 25,000 pages, since this printer will do full duplex. For this analysis, we'll stick with the one-sided page price. So far the total is $466. At $441 for 25,000 pages, you're paying 1.86 cents per page in consumables. Now the cost of the printer... since it hasn't died, I don't know how long it will last. Let's say you go through 2 drums, so it lasts 50,000 pages. At $250 for the printer, it amortizes to about half a cent per page, so the cost is 2.36 cents per page. Electricity is anybody's guess - I just pay the bill and try to be conservative on my air conditioning. So, depending on how long the printer lasts and how much duplexing you do (to reduce paper costs), it will cost somewhere around 2.4 cents per page to use this printer. --Jacob Back to top TObject Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books "Oliver Townshend" <oliveratzipdotcomdotau> wrote in message news:448a611f$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: You can buy repair kits for printers over the net. I got one for my HP 5L many years ago to fix feeding. I've done that too (buying a repair kit off of the Internet). After that I found out that HP will send a repair kit to anyone with an affected printer free of charge. They do it pretty quick too. So, before buying, I recommend checking with HP if your printer qualifies for the free fix (a bunch of models did). Back to top Chester Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books I rather paper books just to give my eyes a break from the screen Back to top Ralf Mimoun Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Jacob Thurman wrote: .... Quote: The longest-lasting part is the drum, which will do 25,000 pages. Replacement cost is $120. A 7,000 page toner cartridge costs $62, or about $221 for 25,000 pages. Do that calculation with a Kyocera FS-2000 family printer, and you cut the cost almost by half... Ralf Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Hi Chester, Quote: I rather paper books just to give my eyes a break from the screen But with an e-book, you can decide to print (only) the interesting chapters to read (while giving your eyes a break) ;-) Groetjes, Bob Swart -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42.com) Forever Loyal to Delphi New Delphi 2006 Courseware e-books at http://www.eBob42.com/courseware Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Hi Venkatesh, Quote: The new DevCo should seriously consider sponsoring Delphi authors in publishing e books. FWIW, I've been selling my Delphi courseware material as e-book since Delphi 8 for .NET was released (and Borland also sponsored me - it became the official courseware for all Borland Learning Partners). Now I have even more Delphi 2005 and 2006 titles. And while they are not cheap (my main perpuse is to give training and consultancy, not to sell e-books), the price is lowered each time a new version of Delphi is released... Quote: It will be a win win situation for every one ie DevCo,Author & customers. I agree. And I'm working on that ;-) Quote: Venkatesh Groetjes, Bob Swart -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42.com) Forever Loyal to Delphi New Delphi 2006 Courseware e-books at http://www.eBob42.com/courseware Back to top Oliver Townshend Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Quote: That's awfully thrifty. I'll keep that in mind when I finally break down and replace my LaserJet 1100, which prints beautifully but has such lousy paper handling that I have to hover over it, feeding it a single sheet at a time. You can buy repair kits for printers over the net. I got one for my HP 5L many years ago to fix feeding. Oliver Townshend Back to top Jon Shemitz Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Jacob Thurman wrote: Quote: So, depending on how long the printer lasts and how much duplexing you do (to reduce paper costs), it will cost somewhere around 2.4 cents per page to use this printer. That's awfully thrifty. I'll keep that in mind when I finally break down and replace my LaserJet 1100, which prints beautifully but has such lousy paper handling that I have to hover over it, feeding it a single sheet at a time. -- ..NET 2.0 for Delphi Programmers <http://www.midnightbeach.com/.net> Delphi skills make .NET easy to learn Just printed, and shipping now. Back to top Jacob Thurman Guest Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Quote: I'm not so sure about the cheaper, though, at least if you print every page. It has to cost less than 5.5 cents/page to be cheaper to print every page than to buy a printed copy, and I don't think that either laser or inkjet printers run quite that cheap. Plus, I'd sure rather have a nicely bound hardcover book than an ungainly collection of 8.5x11 pages. I agree with you 100% on the nice hard-bound book, but I do have to point out that my laser printer (Brother HL-5250DN) has a typical cost per page of around 2.4 cents. PC Magazine's review said 1.4 cents, but in my experience it's a little more than that.... In any case, it's well below your 5.5 cents per page mark, so if you're looking for a printer that beats that, I'd wholeheartedly recommend this one. --Jacob Back to top Peter Morris [Droopy eyes Guest Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Way to Go-Delphi E Books Quote: I do really wish your courseware is priced at 20 to 30 $ so that more people could buy(I will ceratinly be able to buy then). But then wouldn't people buy course ware instead of attending training courses? I think it might be bad for business. 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