BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Web service?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Alan Garny Guest Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:22 am    Post subject: Web service? I have a pure Win32 application that computes mathematical models stored in a XML/MathML kind of format and then graphically outputs the results in 0D/1D/2D/3D using OpenGL. I would like to make that application, or at least parts of it, accessible through a website of some sort. I have the feeling that wat I am after is a web service, right? In that respect, I was wondering what technology would be best. I am currently using D7, though I also have D2005 but it's not useable in my case (far too slow for my taste). Thanks in advance for any feedback, Alan. Back to top Jeff Butterworth Guest Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: Web service? www.remobjects.com You can do webservice stuff in Delphi but RemObjects just makes it too easy (and fun). "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I have a pure Win32 application that computes mathematical models stored in a XML/MathML kind of format and then graphically outputs the results in 0D/1D/2D/3D using OpenGL. I would like to make that application, or at least parts of it, accessible through a website of some sort. I have the feeling that wat I am after is a web service, right? In that respect, I was wondering what technology would be best. I am currently using D7, though I also have D2005 but it's not useable in my case (far too slow for my taste). Thanks in advance for any feedback, Alan. Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Web service? "Jeff Butterworth" <jefbut (AT) drs (DOT) com.au> wrote Quote: www.remobjects.com You can do webservice stuff in Delphi but RemObjects just makes it too easy (and fun). Hmm... I guess I forgot to mention that my application is open source, so besides D7, I don't want to have to invest in anything else. Thanks for the suggestion though... Alan. Back to top C4D - Kim Madsen Guest Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Web service? Hi, There are several way you can go: - Use ASP.Net, PHP, JSP/Servlets, Intraweb, EWF, kbmWABD, WebSnap or similar technology to dynamically produce HTML pages based on the data of your models. From what I read it seems that this option is actually what you are asking for. The way your HTML generator communicates with the backend model generator can be XML, SOAP, binary etc. depending on your choise. Using kbmMW you can access your models on Win32, Linux or .Net regardless of which front end HTML generator you choose. - Publish a SOAP, XML or binary interface. That however do not provide you with an actual front end, but require some intelligent semi fat client to interpret your models and display them on the local client machine. This option is also available out of the box using kbmMW. -- best regards Kim Madsen [email]kbm (AT) components4developers (DOT) com[/email] www.components4developers.com The best components for the best developers kbmMW - RAD Enterprise class n-tier application server framework kbmMemTable - High performance memory table kbmWABD - RAD web development kbmX10 - RAD house automation "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> skrev i en meddelelse news:430ed133$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I have a pure Win32 application that computes mathematical models stored in a XML/MathML kind of format and then graphically outputs the results in 0D/1D/2D/3D using OpenGL. I would like to make that application, or at least parts of it, accessible through a website of some sort. I have the feeling that wat I am after is a web service, right? In that respect, I was wondering what technology would be best. I am currently using D7, though I also have D2005 but it's not useable in my case (far too slow for my taste). Thanks in advance for any feedback, Alan. Back to top C4D - Kim Madsen Guest Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Web service? And as a comment on your request for free/open source.... kbmMW exists in several editions... one of them is an open source/freeware edition. It however do not contain SOAP support. Alternatively there is kbmMW v. 2.50 Standard Edition which contains both SOAP and XML support but have a cost of US$99. Finally we also provide free licenses for kbmMW v. 2.5x to specific non commercial projects. kbmMW non open source editions provided for free may however only be used for building non commercial executable applications. Hence the source, libraries or object codes of kbmMW itself may not be published or handed to 3rdparties. -- best regards Kim Madsen [email]kbm (AT) components4developers (DOT) com[/email] www.components4developers.com The best components for the best developers kbmMW - kbmMemTable - kbmWABD - kbmX10 "C4D - Kim Madsen" <kbm (AT) components4developers (DOT) com (kbmMW/kbmMemTable/kbmWABD/kbmX10)> skrev i en meddelelse news:430f056c$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hi, There are several way you can go: - Use ASP.Net, PHP, JSP/Servlets, Intraweb, EWF, kbmWABD, WebSnap or similar technology to dynamically produce HTML pages based on the data of your models. From what I read it seems that this option is actually what you are asking for. The way your HTML generator communicates with the backend model generator can be XML, SOAP, binary etc. depending on your choise. Using kbmMW you can access your models on Win32, Linux or .Net regardless of which front end HTML generator you choose. - Publish a SOAP, XML or binary interface. That however do not provide you with an actual front end, but require some intelligent semi fat client to interpret your models and display them on the local client machine. This option is also available out of the box using kbmMW. -- best regards Kim Madsen [email]kbm (AT) components4developers (DOT) com[/email] www.components4developers.com The best components for the best developers kbmMW - RAD Enterprise class n-tier application server framework kbmMemTable - High performance memory table kbmWABD - RAD web development kbmX10 - RAD house automation "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> skrev i en meddelelse news:430ed133$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... I have a pure Win32 application that computes mathematical models stored in a XML/MathML kind of format and then graphically outputs the results in 0D/1D/2D/3D using OpenGL. I would like to make that application, or at least parts of it, accessible through a website of some sort. I have the feeling that wat I am after is a web service, right? In that respect, I was wondering what technology would be best. I am currently using D7, though I also have D2005 but it's not useable in my case (far too slow for my taste). Thanks in advance for any feedback, Alan. Back to top James Tharpe Guest Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Web service? Quote: I have a pure Win32 application that computes mathematical models stored in a XML/MathML kind of format and then graphically outputs the results in 0D/1D/2D/3D using OpenGL. I would like to make that application, or at least parts of it, accessible through a website of some sort. I have the feeling that wat I am after is a web service, right? Maybe - what is your target audience? Other programmers, looking to use your functionality in applications (including web sites) of their own? Or just people with web browsers? Or both? Quote: In that respect, I was wondering what technology would be best. I am currently using D7, though I also have D2005 but it's not useable in my case (far too slow for my taste). Anything web-based will probably be easier in .NET, which probably means using D2005 (although there are many other options). If you want to stick to Win32, D7 has plenty of web functionality out-of-the box (WebBroker, WebSnap, IntraWeb) for both web applications and web services. None of it is as nice as ASP.NET, but they will get the job done. Quote: Thanks in advance for any feedback, Alan. -- -James Blog: http://blogs.remobjects.com/blogs/jimmy/ Furl: http://www.furl.net/members/jimmytharpe Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Web service? "James Tharpe" <jimmy.tharpe (AT) aps-soft (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I have a pure Win32 application that computes mathematical models stored in a XML/MathML kind of format and then graphically outputs the results in 0D/1D/2D/3D using OpenGL. I would like to make that application, or at least parts of it, accessible through a website of some sort. I have the feeling that wat I am after is a web service, right? Maybe - what is your target audience? Other programmers, looking to use your functionality in applications (including web sites) of their own? Or just people with web browsers? Or both? The latter, I would say, though I would imagine the former could also become possible since the application will be made open source when completed. Quote: In that respect, I was wondering what technology would be best. I am currently using D7, though I also have D2005 but it's not useable in my case (far too slow for my taste). Anything web-based will probably be easier in .NET, which probably means using D2005 (although there are many other options). If you want to stick to Win32, D7 has plenty of web functionality out-of-the box (WebBroker, WebSnap, IntraWeb) for both web applications and web services. None of it is as nice as ASP.NET, but they will get the job done. Thanks for that. I guess I might have to wait until D2006 to see what how the the overall environment behaves, since D2005 is not really behaving itself in my view. Cheers, Alan. Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Web service? Quote: Thanks in advance for any feedback, Alan. Since you already have a Win32 application, if the server is Windows based, the simplest solution would just be to make it into a webserver: drop in a Indy HTTP Server component and use it to return GIF/JPG/whatever output images. Depending on your requirements, you might even be able to get away with a couple lines of code in a TServerSocket's event. Eric Back to top Msangali Guest Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Web service? Hi, IMHO, D7 has already all the tools you need for that. - You can make a simple WebBroker app that receives input from users and send back a jpeg or gif image. It's very simple to do this, and you can make the app compatible with either IIS or Apache (or both if you choose to do it a CGI app, IIRC). - Alternativelly, you can do this in Intraweb - it's more fun this way, but I don't know if your delphi license come with one for IW. - Then you could do a WebService only for people who want to add your program's functionality into their programs/sites. Delphi-7 has wizards for it, but then again, I don't know if they came in all versions. I enjoy doing asp.net stuff, but you definitely doesn't need it. The main advantages I see are its integration with Windows authentication and the fact that more ISPs accept asp.net apps than compiled ones. If these advantages aren't important to you, I don't see a reason to change your code to work with asp.net. 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