BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Website Tweak Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Language BASM View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Website Tweak Hello, As I mentioned in the intro to the site I plan on putting out a "Challenge Maker" so that it will be easy for any participant to update the Challenge Content pages. As Dennis Christensen has put out some new challenges, I realized that each of those challenge pages has the left hand navigation pane embbedded in them, so that means that every single page on the site needs to be updated whenever the navigation pane data changes. This to say the least is unwieldy. The Challenge pages should be stand-alone and the navigation pane should be stand-alone. I am working now to execute the redesign. (The actual visual design of the site will be identical, ony the internals will change) This will make it far easier for anyone to update a discrete challenge, at will. If I can get Eldos' (or StreamSec's) SFTP component working, I'll be able to update/upload a page directly to SourceForge Directly from the Challenge Maker utility. The utility will simultaneously send an email message to the FastCode yahoo group's email address to notify us of the update, so that we can always keep tabs on updates. The updated page will have information on who exactly updated the page, as well. I will also use FinalBuilder to bind each distributed utility executable to a distinct individual so that no unauthorized use will occur. I will be able to control access to the utility (reassign privileges, force updates etc). Through and xml control file I'll put "somewhere" on the web (one of the FastCode websites). -dennis landi -- Fastcode Project: http://www.fastcodeproject.org/ Back to top Dennis Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak Hi Dennis L and Community Quote: As I mentioned in the intro to the site I plan on putting out a "Challenge Maker" so that it will be easy for any participant to update the Challenge Content pages. Is this a good idea? Quote: As Dennis Christensen has put out some new challenges, I realized that each of those challenge pages has the left hand navigation pane embbedded in them, so that means that every single page on the site needs to be updated whenever the navigation pane data changes. The site is build in Encore CMS which does this automatically. Quote: This to say the least is unwieldy. The Challenge pages should be stand-alone and the navigation pane should be stand-alone. I am working now to execute the redesign. (The actual visual design of the site will be identical, ony the internals will change) This will make it far easier for anyone to update a discrete challenge, at will. I would like a manager to manage things. This is the best way to maintain consistency and quality. Quote: If I can get Eldos' (or StreamSec's) SFTP component working, I'll be able to update/upload a page directly to SourceForge Directly from the Challenge Maker utility. The utility will simultaneously send an email message to the FastCode yahoo group's email address to notify us of the update, so that we Do we want to have two groups for daily communication? Quote: can always keep tabs on updates. The updated page will have information on who exactly updated the page, as well. I will also use FinalBuilder to bind each distributed utility executable to a distinct individual so that no unauthorized use will occur. I will be able to control access to the utility (reassign privileges, force updates etc). Through and xml control file I'll put "somewhere" on the web (one of the FastCode websites). I do not like these changes, but I am only one vote. I would like you all to communicate and agree on changes. It is a bad idea that you all create your own conventions. Cooperation is the keyword. Regards Dennis Christensen Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak "Dennis Landi" <dennis [at] dennislandi [dot] com> wrote Quote: Hello, As I mentioned in the intro to the site I plan on putting out a "Challenge Maker" so that it will be easy for any participant to update the Challenge Content pages. As Dennis Christensen has put out some new challenges, I realized that each of those challenge pages has the left hand navigation pane embbedded in them, so that means that every single page on the site needs to be updated whenever the navigation pane data changes. This to say the least is unwieldy. The Challenge pages should be stand-alone and the navigation pane should be stand-alone. I am working now to execute the redesign. (The actual visual design of the site will be identical, ony the internals will change) This has been executed. Now we can add challenges at will without needed to update every single page on the site. I've removed the general FastCode homepage Introduction, as the challenge pages should pertain specifically to the Challenges. Now that we have the www.fastcodeproject.org page as suitable description of the community and project should go there. I'll fix the links on the challenge page so that "home" points there. -- Fastcode Project: http://www.fastcodeproject.org/ Back to top Lars Bloch Gravengaard Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak Hi "Dennis Landi" <dennis [at] dennislandi [dot] com> skrev i en meddelelse news:438874a0 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hello, As I mentioned in the intro to the site I plan on putting out a "Challenge Maker" so that it will be easy for any participant to update the Challenge Content pages. First thanks for the work you put in "fastcode site" But please dont use frames. ! There is many ref. off why not to use frames. http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html cut -- Your pages use frames. Google supports frames to the extent that we can. Frames tend to cause problems with search engines, bookmarks, emailing links and so on, because frames don't fit the conceptual model of the web (every page corresponds to a single URL). If a user's query matches the page as a whole, Google returns the frame set. If a user's query matches an individual frame on the page, Google returns the URL for that frame. The page is not displayed in a frame because there may be no frame set corresponding to that URL. cut--- I hope it is not to late to change that. -- Lars G Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak Frames are a STANDARD of HTML specification. Google doesn't set the standard for the web. I need to use frames. -- Fastcode Project: http://www.fastcodeproject.org/ "Lars Bloch Gravengaard" <lbg-at-aplusmail-dot-dk> wrote Quote: Hi "Dennis Landi" <dennis [at] dennislandi [dot] com> skrev i en meddelelse news:438874a0 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hello, As I mentioned in the intro to the site I plan on putting out a "Challenge Maker" so that it will be easy for any participant to update the Challenge Content pages. First thanks for the work you put in "fastcode site" But please dont use frames. ! There is many ref. off why not to use frames. http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html cut -- Your pages use frames. Google supports frames to the extent that we can. Frames tend to cause problems with search engines, bookmarks, emailing links and so on, because frames don't fit the conceptual model of the web (every page corresponds to a single URL). If a user's query matches the page as a whole, Google returns the frame set. If a user's query matches an individual frame on the page, Google returns the URL for that frame. The page is not displayed in a frame because there may be no frame set corresponding to that URL. cut--- I hope it is not to late to change that. -- Lars G Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak As for robots/search engines, they should ONLY be finding the front door. All the links are there. Give me time, and all relevant info (the challenge names) can be added to meta-data, so that google will have no problem indexing the site. -- d Fastcode Project: http://www.fastcodeproject.org/ "Dennis Landi" <dennis [at] dennislandi [dot] com> wrote Quote: Frames are a STANDARD of HTML specification. Google doesn't set the standard for the web. I need to use frames. -- Fastcode Project: http://www.fastcodeproject.org/ "Lars Bloch Gravengaard" <lbg-at-aplusmail-dot-dk> wrote in message news:4389d228 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hi "Dennis Landi" <dennis [at] dennislandi [dot] com> skrev i en meddelelse news:438874a0 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hello, As I mentioned in the intro to the site I plan on putting out a "Challenge Maker" so that it will be easy for any participant to update the Challenge Content pages. First thanks for the work you put in "fastcode site" But please dont use frames. ! There is many ref. off why not to use frames. http://www.google.com/webmasters/2.html cut -- Your pages use frames. Google supports frames to the extent that we can. Frames tend to cause problems with search engines, bookmarks, emailing links and so on, because frames don't fit the conceptual model of the web (every page corresponds to a single URL). If a user's query matches the page as a whole, Google returns the frame set. If a user's query matches an individual frame on the page, Google returns the URL for that frame. The page is not displayed in a frame because there may be no frame set corresponding to that URL. cut--- I hope it is not to late to change that. -- Lars G Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak At 16:42:20, 27.11.2005, Dennis Landi wrote: Quote: Frames are a STANDARD of HTML specification. But a bad one. Many CSS/(X)HTML gurus will tell you that one should avoid frames, if possible. http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "My mother said to me, "If you are a soldier, you will become a general. If you are a monk, you will become the Pope." Instead, I was a painter, and became Picasso." -- Pablo Picasso. Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak At 16:42:20, 27.11.2005, Dennis Landi wrote: Quote: Frames are a STANDARD of HTML specification. Google doesn't set the standard for the web. No, Google doesn't. But really, if you can, please avoid them. They are not a necessity. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "A man's only as old as the woman he feels." -- Groucho Marx Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: At 16:42:20, 27.11.2005, Dennis Landi wrote: Frames are a STANDARD of HTML specification. Google doesn't set the standard for the web. No, Google doesn't. But really, if you can, please avoid them. They are not a necessity. Nope. It's better design. I am *not* going to have a debate on FRAMES of all things with you. You are dentist for god sake, I am professional web developer.... -- Fastcode Project: http://www.fastcodeproject.org/ Back to top Lars Bloch Gravengaard Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak "Dennis Landi" <dennis [at] dennislandi [dot] com> skrev i en meddelelse news:4389d469 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: As for robots/search engines, they should ONLY be finding the front door. All the links are there. Well they dont :-( If we did a search on "CharPosEY_JOH_IA32_4" then google have updatet http://fastcode.sourceforge.net The link it will give is http://fastcode.sourceforge.net/challenge_content/CharPosEY.html and not http://fastcode.sourceforge.net -- Lars G Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak "Lars Bloch Gravengaard" <lbg-at-aplusmail-dot-dk> wrote Quote: "Dennis Landi" <dennis [at] dennislandi [dot] com> skrev i en meddelelse news:4389d469 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... As for robots/search engines, they should ONLY be finding the front door. All the links are there. Well they dont :-( If we did a search on "CharPosEY_JOH_IA32_4" then google have updatet http://fastcode.sourceforge.net The link it will give is http://fastcode.sourceforge.net/challenge_content/CharPosEY.html I have not put any robot meta-data in the pages yet. I will, be patient. With the previous design, you would have all the challenge names were on EVERY page on the site, because the navigation info is embedded on every page.... Very bad design. And so (to spell it out) google would have found a "hit" for every challenge on every page.... -- Fastcode Project: http://www.fastcodeproject.org/ Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak At 17:15:47, 27.11.2005, Dennis Landi wrote: Quote: Nope. It's better design. I am not going to have a debate on FRAMES of all things with you. OK, but I really disagree. It is most definitely not BETTER design. More convenient for the developer, perhaps. Quote: You are dentist for god sake, I am professional web developer.... Web developers are not necessary good web designers, or usability experts. I may be a dentist, but well, I have other qualities as well. <g> -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "The perfect computer has been developed. You just feed in your problems and they never come out again." -- Al Goodman. Back to top Lars Bloch Gravengaard Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak "Dennis Landi" <dennis [at] dennislandi [dot] com> skrev i en meddelelse news:4389dceb$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I have not put any robot meta-data in the pages yet. I will, be patient. no problem :-) Quote: With the previous design, you would have all the challenge names were on EVERY page on the site, because the navigation info is embedded on every page.... Very bad design. And so (to spell it out) google would have found a "hit" for every challenge on every page.... I hear you ..... but i do not agre with you. But it is no problem for me. We do not have to agree on this topic. -- Lars G Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: At 17:15:47, 27.11.2005, Dennis Landi wrote: Nope. It's better design. I am not going to have a debate on FRAMES of all things with you. OK, but I really disagree. It is most definitely not BETTER design. More convenient for the developer, perhaps. You are dentist for god sake, I am professional web developer.... Web developers are not necessary good web designers, or usability experts. I may be a dentist, but well, I have other qualities as well. <g "Don't I know it" -- d Fastcode Project: http://www.fastcodeproject.org/ Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Website Tweak "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: More convenient for the developer, perhaps. Yep, in this particular context, ease of maintainability leads to long term viability. 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