BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  WebSnap evaluation          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Internet WebSnap View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Peter Laman Guest Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:11 pm    Post subject: WebSnap evaluation Hi, I'm currently looking for a short term solution to create an interactive Web App. Up to now, I've been working with D6 and because I don't have much time I'm reluctant to learn something else. So I'm just wondering about WebSnap. I searched the internet for real-life experiences, but found none. Finally I arrived at this newsgroup, which is the first sign that there actually are people using it... So what's your opinion on this? Does WebSnap deliver what it promises? Is it a good idea to create a new app with itt? I did a tutorial and it works, of course, but it seems to me a vague network of components (adapters) linked to each other. At first sight it's easy to get something to work, but I'm not sure about what it takes to get what I want. And then to debug it, because it seems that the wiring under the hood is quite complicated. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. Any good advice is appreciated, Peter Laman The Lance Group Roermond, the Netherlands http://www.lance-safety.com Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: WebSnap evaluation Hi Peter, Quote: I'm currently looking for a short term solution to create an interactive Web App. Up to now, I've been working with D6 and because I don't have much time I'm reluctant to learn something else. So I'm just wondering about WebSnap. If you don't have much time, then I'm not sure if WebSnap is a good idea. I've used it ever since it was released with Delphi 6, but it took quite some time before I could truly say I understood all that it was doing (also behind the scenes). I believe Nick Hodges and I were two of the most active WebSnap users at the time, and we've written a number of articles about it. Nick's can be found at the BDN and LeMaNix websites, I think. My articles have been published in Dutch, English and German. I reckon you can read Dutch, so the first two links are Dutch: Delphi 6 Enterprise WebSnap http://www.ebob42.com/papers/websnap.htm Delphi 6 WebSnap (Custom) Adapters http://www.ebob42.com/papers/adapters.htm I've also written WebSnap articles for The Delphi Magazine, one of which is available online: WebSnap Session Management For CGI http://www.thedelphimagazine.com/samples/1391/1391.htm And using the IBM DB2 UDB database and Delphi 7 http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/db2/library/techarticle/0211swart/0211swart3.html If you are willing to learn WebSnap, then it's a good technology. But it's not a WYSIWYG or RAD web development environment like IntraWeb (that I recommend for Win32) or ASP.NET (my favorite .NET web development technology today). There are several IntraWeb and ASP.NET articles on my website (or other places). I have some old WebSnap courseware manuals using Delphi 6 and 7. Haven't been used in ages. If you really want to go with WebSnap, then perhaps I should dust them off and make them available online for a modest fee. ;-) Quote: I searched the internet for real-life experiences, but found none. Finally I arrived at this newsgroup, which is the first sign that there actually are people using it... I have written some demos, and one actual application, which is no longer up and running. Quote: So what's your opinion on this? Does WebSnap deliver what it promises? Is it a good idea to create a new app with itt? I did a tutorial and it works, of course, but it seems to me a vague network of components (adapters) linked to each other. At first sight it's easy to get something to work, but I'm not sure about what it takes to get what I want. And then to debug it, because it seems that the wiring under the hood is quite complicated. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. You are correct - this is part of the learning curve to understand fully what's connected to what and doing what (and why). Once you know it all, WebSnap can be quite powerful. But today, I'm more productive using ASP.NET. Quote: Any good advice is appreciated, Peter Laman The Lance Group Roermond, the Netherlands Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) Helmond, The Netherlands -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) - Borland Technology Partner Delphi 2005 PDF manuals available from http://www.drbob42.com/training Back to top Levend Sener Guest Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: WebSnap evaluation "Peter Laman" <peter (AT) lance (DOT) nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:42a45932 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: ... So what's your opinion on this? Does WebSnap deliver what it promises? Is it a good idea to create a new app with itt? I developed a pretty large and complex DB/web application with WebSnap in 2002 for a large Bank. Meanwhile it grew (~30-40K lines of code) and is hosted on Apache 1.3/Windows 2000 Server (initially on IIS5/Win2000 but that was rather unstable: memory leaks). The only problem with it is: it hardly needs no maintenance ! ;-) Quote: I did a tutorial and it works, of course, but it seems to me a vague network of components (adapters) linked to each other. At first sight it's easy to get something to work, but I'm not sure about what it takes to get what I want. And then to debug it, because it seems that the wiring under the hood is quite complicated. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. As Bob already mentioned, WebSnap is quite powerful but has a very steep learning curve. After a certain while of having wondered what all the components are good for one understands the logic behind it and also forgives that it's everything but RAD. However, if you need a quick and for Delphi developers much more intuitive Framework then you should definitely consider using IntraWeb - I personally prefer it for Win32 and .NET (after a certain while having used IntraWeb, ASP.NET seems very unintuitive). Hope this helps a bit. Levend. Back to top danny heijl Guest Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: WebSnap evaluation Peter Laman schreef: Quote: So what's your opinion on this? Does WebSnap deliver what it promises? Is it a good idea to create a new app with it? I found Websnap excellent, robust and easy to debug if you leave out all the adapter stuff and restrict yourself to just using multiple webpagemodules and webdatamodules and (nested) pageproducers and templates. You will also have to write decent (DB-based) session handling to replace the toy-implementation Borland provides. And with D6 you need the RTL3 update or it will never work reliably with ISAPI. Danny --- Back to top Peter Laman Guest Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: WebSnap evaluation Summing it all up: WebSnap has been a nice attempt some years ago, but now it has been surpassed by IntraWeb and ASP.NET for new apps? Peter Laman The Lance Group Roermond, the Netherlands http://www.lance-safety.com Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: WebSnap evaluation Hi Peter, Quote: Summing it all up: WebSnap has been a nice attempt some years ago, but now it has been surpassed by IntraWeb and ASP.NET for new apps? In one word: Yes ;-) Quote: Peter Laman Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) - Borland Technology Partner Delphi 2005 PDF manuals available from http://www.drbob42.com/training Back to top Nick Hodges [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: WebSnap evaluation Peter Laman wrote: Quote: Summing it all up: WebSnap has been a nice attempt some years ago, but now it has been surpassed by IntraWeb and ASP.NET for new apps? Yep, that's a pretty good summary. -- Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- http://www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- http://www.lemanix.com/nick Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Internet WebSnap All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.