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Anders Ohlsson (Borland)
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 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:32 pm Post subject: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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OK. So I figured it would be an incredibly easy task to get the worst stinky bugs
(imagine SpongeBob's sundae here)...
Quality Central (QC) *is* the way that you give us feedback on what sucks. So I go
can look at http://qc.borland.com/ where the top 10 voted issues are listed.
Certainly if something stinks *really* bad it must be voted on by tons of people
who run into these issues.
OK, so let's go through them and let's see what we have...
Note: The comments marked AO are my comments/opinions made on the fly, and nothing
else.
4007 Please include source code for all dbExpress drivers - 93 votes
AO - This is probably not going to happen in a patch. It probably requires
changes to legal docs as well. 0-1.
425 Allow procedure and function implementations to be collapsed- 85 votes
AO - This probably won't be in a patch. But it is in C#Builder, so there's hope
for the future. 0-2.
2559 Alphanumeric sorting in project window - 75 votes
AO - This should be fairly simple to fix. 1-2.
3732 Please make dbExpress updates to be available separately from IDE/VCL updates - 64 votes
AO - I think this is done now. I could be wrong. But keep in mind that sometimes
a bug fix for a driver requires a fix in the VCL. 1-2.
3057 Include Source, remove the SourceInt folder - 41 votes
AO - I agree with this one. More source is good. But it's not necessarily easy
to do (internally). Therefore it probably won't happen in a patch. It probably
requires changes to legal docs as well. 1-3.
2378 Incorrect multi-language (locale) support - 39 votes
AO - This is a bad bug, and should be fixed. 2-3.
679 The infamous WITH resolution - 35 votes
AO - This would be a language fix, and as such not appropriate for a patch, but
it could be for the next major release. 2-4.
957 Native Complex numbers and Vector support - 31 votes
AO - Probably won't happen in a patch. 2-5.
2747 Add undo/redo in form designer - 29 votes
AO - This would be cool. Not sure if new functionality would be appropriate for
a patch though. 2-6.
376 Add a way to save and select different project options for a project - 21 votes
AO - This would be cool. Not sure if new functionality would be appropriate for
a patch though. 2-7.
OK, so we have 2 bugs in the Top 10 that could probably be fixed in a patch. BTW, it's
interesting that the 10th issue on this list is only 20% as bad as the #1.
I would like to see 8 more to make a Top 10 list of *bugs* that should be fixed in a
patch before I start yelling in core team that something is really wrong and needs
attention.
That means that you guys need to VOTE, and if you have an issue that isn't in QC,
then write the report and VOTE for it.
So, please REPORT and then VOTE. Then tell everyone else to do the same. Then we
can see what needs to be fixed.
By all means, feel free to reply to this thread with extremely stinky bugs - I need
the QC number for them, please... Then other people can start voting for them if they
agree.
When we have 10 - or at least more than 2 - highly voted bugs we can talk about me
going to core team for some yelling and screaming about a Delphi 7 patch.
Fair enough?
Thanks!
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Dmitry Streblechenko
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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Are you guys going to fix the type library editor? Am I the only one forced
to use Delphi 5 for anything type-library related?
Dmitry Streblechenko (MVP)
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and MAPI Developer Tool
"Anders Ohlsson (Borland)" <aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | OK. So I figured it would be an incredibly easy task to get the worst
stinky bugs
(imagine SpongeBob's sundae here)...
Quality Central (QC) *is* the way that you give us feedback on what sucks.
So I go
can look at http://qc.borland.com/ where the top 10 voted issues are
listed.
Certainly if something stinks *really* bad it must be voted on by tons of
people
who run into these issues.
OK, so let's go through them and let's see what we have...
Note: The comments marked AO are my comments/opinions made on the fly, and
nothing
else.
4007 Please include source code for all dbExpress drivers - 93 votes
AO - This is probably not going to happen in a patch. It probably requires
changes to legal docs as well. 0-1.
425 Allow procedure and function implementations to be collapsed- 85 votes
AO - This probably won't be in a patch. But it is in C#Builder, so there's
hope
for the future. 0-2.
2559 Alphanumeric sorting in project window - 75 votes
AO - This should be fairly simple to fix. 1-2.
3732 Please make dbExpress updates to be available separately from IDE/VCL
updates - 64 votes
AO - I think this is done now. I could be wrong. But keep in mind that
sometimes
a bug fix for a driver requires a fix in the VCL. 1-2.
3057 Include Source, remove the SourceInt folder - 41 votes
AO - I agree with this one. More source is good. But it's not necessarily
easy
to do (internally). Therefore it probably won't happen in a patch. It
probably
requires changes to legal docs as well. 1-3.
2378 Incorrect multi-language (locale) support - 39 votes
AO - This is a bad bug, and should be fixed. 2-3.
679 The infamous WITH resolution - 35 votes
AO - This would be a language fix, and as such not appropriate for a
patch, but
it could be for the next major release. 2-4.
957 Native Complex numbers and Vector support - 31 votes
AO - Probably won't happen in a patch. 2-5.
2747 Add undo/redo in form designer - 29 votes
AO - This would be cool. Not sure if new functionality would be
appropriate for
a patch though. 2-6.
376 Add a way to save and select different project options for a project -
21 votes
AO - This would be cool. Not sure if new functionality would be
appropriate for
a patch though. 2-7.
OK, so we have 2 bugs in the Top 10 that could probably be fixed in a
patch. BTW, it's
interesting that the 10th issue on this list is only 20% as bad as the #1.
I would like to see 8 more to make a Top 10 list of *bugs* that should be
fixed in a
patch before I start yelling in core team that something is really wrong
and needs
attention.
That means that you guys need to VOTE, and if you have an issue that isn't
in QC,
then write the report and VOTE for it.
So, please REPORT and then VOTE. Then tell everyone else to do the same.
Then we
can see what needs to be fixed.
By all means, feel free to reply to this thread with extremely stinky
bugs - I need
the QC number for them, please... Then other people can start voting for
them if they
agree.
When we have 10 - or at least more than 2 - highly voted bugs we can talk
about me
going to core team for some yelling and screaming about a Delphi 7 patch.
Fair enough?
Thanks!
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Anders Ohlsson (Borland)
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Ignacio Vazquez
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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"Anders Ohlsson (Borland)" <aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote in message
3f4bc3dc$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
| Quote: | Quality Central (QC) *is* the way that you give us feedback on what sucks.
So I go can look at http://qc.borland.com/ where the top 10 voted issues
are listed.
Certainly if something stinks *really* bad it must be voted on by tons of
people who run into these issues.
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Unfortunately not all are bugs; some are just feature or enhacement
requests, which are not quite as important.
| Quote: | 4007 Please include source code for all dbExpress drivers - 93 votes
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Enhancement.
| Quote: | 425 Allow procedure and function implementations to be collapsed- 85
votes
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Feature.
| Quote: | 3732 Please make dbExpress updates to be available separately from
IDE/VCL updates - 64 votes
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Enhancement.
| Quote: | 3057 Include Source, remove the SourceInt folder - 41 votes
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Enhancement.
| Quote: | 679 The infamous WITH resolution - 35 votes
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Enhancement.
| Quote: | 957 Native Complex numbers and Vector support - 31 votes
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Feature.
| Quote: | 2747 Add undo/redo in form designer - 29 votes
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Enhancement.
| Quote: | 376 Add a way to save and select different project options for a project
- 21 votes
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Feature.
| Quote: | OK, so we have 2 bugs in the Top 10 that could probably be fixed in a
patch. BTW, it's interesting that the 10th issue on this list is only 20%
as bad as the #1.
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There are only 2 bugs in the top-ten-voted issues period.
The issues that would fill out a Top Ten list of bugs would be 2002, 2584,
2875, 3879, 2614, 998, 2246, and 2774. Mind you, they only have 10 to 15
votes each.
| Quote: | That means that you guys need to VOTE, and if you have an issue that isn't
in QC, then write the report and VOTE for it.
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The problem is that votes have to be split up between enhancements and bugs,
so the usefulness of QC for determining patch content is diluted.
Cheers,
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Anders Ohlsson (Borland)
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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Unfortunately not all are bugs; some are just feature or enhacement
requests, which are not quite as important.
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That's exactly what I said in my post...
| Quote: | The issues that would fill out a Top Ten list of bugs would be 2002, 2584,
2875, 3879, 2614, 998, 2246, and 2774. Mind you, they only have 10 to 15
votes each.
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And that's the issue... Why aren't they voted much higher if they stink
so bad?
| Quote: | The problem is that votes have to be split up between enhancements and bugs,
so the usefulness of QC for determining patch content is diluted.
Number of votes per project, area, or user is a different topic altogether. |
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Ignacio Vazquez
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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"Anders Ohlsson (Borland)" <aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote in message
3f4bc836$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
| Quote: | The issues that would fill out a Top Ten list of bugs would be 2002, 2584,
2875, 3879, 2614, 998, 2246, and 2774. Mind you, they only have 10 to 15
votes each.
And that's the issue... Why aren't they voted much higher if they stink
so bad?
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Because they may not stink equally to different people. Myself, I don't give
a rat's ass about web deployment. I find duplicate identifier detection more
important. That's why I voted for 1615 instead of 2584. That doesn't make
2584 any better, it just means that I don't find it a problem with the
applications I develop, because I don't use it.
| Quote: | The problem is that votes have to be split up between enhancements and
bugs, so the usefulness of QC for determining patch content is diluted.
Number of votes per project, area, or user is a different topic
altogether.
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But that doesn't make it any less of a problem.
Cheers,
Ignacio
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William Meyer
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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On 26-Aug-03, Anders Ohlsson (Borland) said:
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Certainly if something stinks really bad it must be voted on by tons
of people who run into these issues.
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Not when people are budgeting their votes. That was my point when I
raised an issue ages ago about the fallacy inherent in limiting the
votes any individual may cast.
| Quote: | 425 Allow procedure and function implementations to be collapsed- 85
votes
AO - This probably won't be in a patch. But it is in C#Builder, so
there's hope for the future. 0-2.
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As some of us had surmised from that indicator <g>.
| Quote: | 2559 Alphanumeric sorting in project window - 75 votes
AO - This should be fairly simple to fix. 1-2.
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Aha!! You acknowledge it as needing to be *fixed*! Others had claimed
the current mode as a /feature/. <g>
| Quote: | 679 The infamous WITH resolution - 35 votes
AO - This would be a language fix, and as such not appropriate for a
patch, but it could be for the next major release. 2-4.
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I'm not voting for the language police, and hope that any language
change is in the direction of a settable warning.
| Quote: | OK, so we have 2 bugs in the Top 10 that could probably be fixed in a
patch. BTW, it's interesting that the 10th issue on this list is only
20% as bad as the #1.
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Again, I submit that the voting policy skews the result. But moreover,
I suspect that few uf us have the time to pore over the list of all the
items in QC -- I know I don't.
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disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Dmitry Arefiev [gs-soft.r
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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Hello !
dbExpress has many serious bugs. At first MSSQL driver.
I will not repeat QC#'s here - it was done many times in
dbExpress newsgroup and discussed with R. Theivendran.
As i know at moment many bugs was fixed by Ramesh
(thanks Ramesh !). But from time, when dbExpress became
a PROBLEM for me until now is about 5 months. After
reviewing all bugs, i was able to fix most bugs in 1 week
(i am really sure <g>). That is a reason i put all my votes
to QC# 4007. If there will be more regular patches / updates,
then (of course !) i will move all my votes to QC#'s with bugs ...
Regards,
Dmitry
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Anders Ohlsson (Borland) wrote:
| Quote: | OK. So I figured it would be an incredibly easy task to get the worst stinky bugs
(imagine SpongeBob's sundae here)...
Quality Central (QC) *is* the way that you give us feedback on what sucks. So I go
can look at http://qc.borland.com/ where the top 10 voted issues are listed.
Certainly if something stinks *really* bad it must be voted on by tons of people
who run into these issues.
OK, so let's go through them and let's see what we have...
Note: The comments marked AO are my comments/opinions made on the fly, and nothing
else.
4007 Please include source code for all dbExpress drivers - 93 votes
AO - This is probably not going to happen in a patch. It probably requires
changes to legal docs as well. 0-1.
425 Allow procedure and function implementations to be collapsed- 85 votes
AO - This probably won't be in a patch. But it is in C#Builder, so there's hope
for the future. 0-2.
2559 Alphanumeric sorting in project window - 75 votes
AO - This should be fairly simple to fix. 1-2.
3732 Please make dbExpress updates to be available separately from IDE/VCL updates - 64
votes
AO - I think this is done now. I could be wrong. But keep in mind that sometimes
a bug fix for a driver requires a fix in the VCL. 1-2.
3057 Include Source, remove the SourceInt folder - 41 votes
AO - I agree with this one. More source is good. But it's not necessarily easy
to do (internally). Therefore it probably won't happen in a patch. It probably
requires changes to legal docs as well. 1-3.
2378 Incorrect multi-language (locale) support - 39 votes
AO - This is a bad bug, and should be fixed. 2-3.
679 The infamous WITH resolution - 35 votes
AO - This would be a language fix, and as such not appropriate for a patch, but
it could be for the next major release. 2-4.
957 Native Complex numbers and Vector support - 31 votes
AO - Probably won't happen in a patch. 2-5.
2747 Add undo/redo in form designer - 29 votes
AO - This would be cool. Not sure if new functionality would be appropriate for
a patch though. 2-6.
376 Add a way to save and select different project options for a project - 21 votes
AO - This would be cool. Not sure if new functionality would be appropriate for
a patch though. 2-7.
OK, so we have 2 bugs in the Top 10 that could probably be fixed in a patch. BTW, it's
interesting that the 10th issue on this list is only 20% as bad as the #1.
I would like to see 8 more to make a Top 10 list of *bugs* that should be fixed in a
patch before I start yelling in core team that something is really wrong and needs
attention.
That means that you guys need to VOTE, and if you have an issue that isn't in QC,
then write the report and VOTE for it.
So, please REPORT and then VOTE. Then tell everyone else to do the same. Then we
can see what needs to be fixed.
By all means, feel free to reply to this thread with extremely stinky bugs - I need
the QC number for them, please... Then other people can start voting for them if they
agree.
When we have 10 - or at least more than 2 - highly voted bugs we can talk about me
going to core team for some yelling and screaming about a Delphi 7 patch.
Fair enough?
Thanks!
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Ignacio Vazquez
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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"Dave White" <nospam (AT) spam (DOT) com> wrote in message
3f4bcd14$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
| Quote: | Running QualityCentral, get
"Server is currently unavailable, or you are not connected to the
Internet. Can't continue."
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Down for me too. Website as well. I guess everyone tried to get on at once
;)
Cheers,
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Dave White
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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"Ignacio Vazquez" <ivazquezATorioncommunications.com> wrote
| Quote: | "Dave White" <nospam (AT) spam (DOT) com> wrote in message
3f4bcd14$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
Running QualityCentral, get
"Server is currently unavailable, or you are not connected to the
Internet. Can't continue."
Down for me too. Website as well. I guess everyone tried to get on at once
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There must be a LOT of people trying to vote for bugs if they took the site
down <BG>
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Anders Ohlsson (Borland)
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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The issues that would fill out a Top Ten list of bugs would be 2002, 2584,
2875, 3879, 2614, 998, 2246, and 2774. Mind you, they only have 10 to 15
votes each.
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Just taking the first 5...
2002 - DLL Breakpoints lost in XP - 14 votes
2584 - Web Deploy disabled - 13 votes
2875 - Code completion skips items when using arrow keys - 13 votes
3879 - Components in data module does not remains in there position when
saving - 12 votes
2614 - Making calls to a Web Service Often Results in invalid
Content-Type Error - 12 votes
There are 6,817 QC users. 5 votes each for the Delphi project makes
34,085 total votes.
Only 3,350 votes are used in the entire QC system. Not good.
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Serge Dosyukov
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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| Quote: | Quality Central (QC) *is* the way that you give us feedback on what sucks.
So I go
can look at http://qc.borland.com/ where the top 10 voted issues are
listed. |
You might exclude one which are specific to a specific package such as
Enterprise and belong to optional components, or divide by catogories
Also to be completly true about a situation instead to sort by version and
votes, you need to order by version, types, votes
then numbers will be different and if you can comment one of them which are
not yet comment it will be very appreciated
Category A
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2378: 4.77(26) - 39 : Incorrect multi-language (locale) support
2246: 4.67(15) -10 : TCombobox gives AV when selecting empty item from
dropdown
Category B
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2427: 4.78(9) 17 : Using TSimpleDataset with an external connection
2875: 4.91(11) - 13: Code completion skips items when using arrow keys
2584 4.33 - 13: Web Deploy disabled
2614: 5(6) 12 : Making calls to a Web Service Often Results in invalid
Content-Type Error
3879: 4.09(11) 12 : Components in data module does not remains in there
position when saving
2307: 4.86(7) - 8 : TClientDataSet issues when stored to a file (D7)
<Bold: skipped>
3122: 4.00 - 7 : Performance degradation in multi-processor machines with
SQL server driver
3850: 5.00(4) - 7 : TGraphicControl descendants invisible in frames with XP
Manifest
2537: 4.78(9) - 7: DrawParentBackground does NOT work with a DoubleBuffered
Parent
2717: 4.6(5) - 7: Incorrect ChangeCount with TWideStringField
5279: - 6 : Internal CopyBitmap function fails on Windows 9x for large
bitmaps
Category C:
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2559 4.5(42) - 75 : Alphanumeric sorting in project window
AO> This should be fairly simple to fix. 1-2.
From prior discussion here (one of the official answeers) was opposite:
required to much of modification in IDE code
which would harm a stability of IDE and Delphi
Category E:
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| Quote: | 4007 4.82(44) 93 : Please include source code for all dbExpress drivers
== 0-1 == |
AO> This is probably not going to happen in a patch. It probably requires
AO> changes to legal docs as well.
3732 64 : Please make dbExpress updates to be available separately from
IDE/VCL updates
AO>: I think this is done now. I could be wrong. But keep in mind that
sometimes
AO> a bug fix for a driver requires a fix in the VCL.
== 1-2 ==
3057 41 - Include Source, remove the SourceInt folder
AO> I agree with this one. More source is good. But it's not necessarily
easy
AO> to do (internally). Therefore it probably won't happen in a patch. It
probably
AO> requires changes to legal docs as well.
== 1-3 ==
| Quote: | 425 Allow procedure and function implementations to be collapsed- 85 votes
AO - This probably won't be in a patch. But it is in C#Builder, so there's
hope
for the future. 0-2.
2378 Incorrect multi-language (locale) support - 39 votes
AO - This is a bad bug, and should be fixed. 2-3.
679 The infamous WITH resolution - 35 votes
AO - This would be a language fix, and as such not appropriate for a
patch, but
it could be for the next major release. 2-4.
957 Native Complex numbers and Vector support - 31 votes
AO - Probably won't happen in a patch. 2-5.
2747 Add undo/redo in form designer - 29 votes
AO - This would be cool. Not sure if new functionality would be
appropriate for
a patch though. 2-6.
376 Add a way to save and select different project options for a project -
21 votes
AO - This would be cool. Not sure if new functionality would be
appropriate for
a patch though. 2-7.
OK, so we have 2 bugs in the Top 10 that could probably be fixed in a
patch. BTW, it's
interesting that the 10th issue on this list is only 20% as bad as the #1.
I would like to see 8 more to make a Top 10 list of *bugs* that should be
fixed in a
patch before I start yelling in core team that something is really wrong
and needs
attention.
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I think I did change a little your list, most of them are opened and posted
internally
It is not up to us, but up to you to push it
| Quote: | That means that you guys need to VOTE, and if you have an issue that isn't
in QC,
then write the report and VOTE for it.
So, please REPORT and then VOTE. Then tell everyone else to do the same.
Then we
can see what needs to be fixed.
By all means, feel free to reply to this thread with extremely stinky
bugs - I need
the QC number for them, please... Then other people can start voting for
them if they
agree.
When we have 10 - or at least more than 2 - highly voted bugs we can talk
about me
going to core team for some yelling and screaming about a Delphi 7 patch.
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What is a level of voting you do need for A/B/C/E to be considered worth to
do?
We might just reassign our votes then
I think so, if analysis will be completed
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:32:25 -0700, "Anders Ohlsson (Borland)"
<aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote:
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Certainly if something stinks *really* bad it must be voted on by tons of people
who run into these issues.
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I don't know if I'm representative but after taking 6-12 months off
from the newsgroups I returned and people were talking about QC and I
had no idea what it was. After getting a link I downloaded the
Windows client and had no idea how to use it, search for a bug, get a
list by priority, etc. Furthermore, I couldn't find any concise
documentation showing how to use the thing in what could be considered
a 'common' manner. Maybe it's just me but I'm usually pretty good at
this kind of thing and even often provided tech support for products
I've never seen before.
Maybe 'tons of people' don't even know QC exists and those that do
don't have the time/gumption to use it effectively.
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So, please REPORT and then VOTE. Then tell everyone else to do the same. Then we
can see what needs to be fixed.
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Word of mouth is great but you need to think about marketing QC. I
don't recall ever receiving email from borland about it, no snail
mail, and my (D5) news update thingy has been stuck on 'borland and
microsoft tie the knot' item for an eternity.
I recommend:
- Market QC better.
- Provide some sort of official feedback (could include actual fixes)
for QC reports.
- Improve the client and provide some *quick* instructions for using
it (may already have happened - I haven't looked again since my first
shot).
That combination would make QC snowball into what I think you guys
envision.
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Serge Dosyukov
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: What are the Top 10 stinkiest bugs in Delphi 7? |
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"Anders Ohlsson (Borland)" <aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote
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| Quote: | There are 6,817 QC users. 5 votes each for the Delphi project makes
34,085 total votes.
Only 3,350 votes are used in the entire QC system. Not good.
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If you (Borland) will show what QC works (for Delphi project) by issuing a
updates, then people will start to vote
Right now, it is only "vocal" group (it is how you call it) who vote mostly,
it is a group who are vocal here mostly also.
This happened only if YOU do, not after we do. We did enough, I think
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Serge Dosyukov
Borland Delphi 6 product certified
MCP
"Programming is not a job; it is a style of life."
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