BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What comes first - Analysts and then programmers ...          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message pNichols Guest Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: What comes first - Analysts and then programmers ... Nick Rambarransingh wrote: Quote: Good Day All, I have a question. Someone suggested to me that an Application Developer is higher in the "HIEARCHARY" than a Systems Analyst. Now, I will admit I have not been in school for a while, but I am sure this is not the case. Can anyone clarify and put these skills in the proper order, from, lets say cradle to grave - sot o speak. Programmer Programmer/Analyst Developer Application Developer Systems Developer Systems Analyst Systems Engineer Architect Application Architect Network Specialist Network Engineer I do not know if you can apply a general hierarchy by titles altogether. Different shops apply different categories and heirarchies. In fact you will find most shops have their own nomenclature and hierarchal structure. General (rough) rule in most IT companies I worked were (bottom to top) Jr Level Programmer Programmer Programmer Analyst Sr. Programmer Analyst Team or Section Leader Dept. or Section Manager IT Manager Assistant CTO CTO I am leaving out Project Managers, because their funtions are different. They may be in the hierarchy as well, but since they are not usually involved in the programming duties, but rather design, they are really in a different class, although they may have supervisory duties as well. I also left out DBAs, since their job duties are different, but the work very closly with the PMs and programmers. System Analyst usually have something to do with Network and/or System Adminitration duties( ie configuring servers, Mainframes, scheduled updates, coding and develping system utils, benchmarking plans, etc). Of course, some may include these people in the Programmer's heirarchy. They are usually, highly trained and skilled in several areas, such as programming, Network administration, and security. In smaller shops, they may be in the programmers general group and function not only as system level programmers, but also form a utilities group. In larger IT shops, they generally are assigned the duties as I described. Back to top Nick Rambarransingh Guest Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 3:22 am    Post subject: What comes first - Analysts and then programmers ... Good Day All, I have a question. Someone suggested to me that an Application Developer is higher in the "HIEARCHARY" than a Systems Analyst. Now, I will admit I have not been in school for a while, but I am sure this is not the case. Can anyone clarify and put these skills in the proper order, from, lets say cradle to grave - sot o speak. Programmer Programmer/Analyst Developer Application Developer Systems Developer Systems Analyst Systems Engineer Architect Application Architect Network Specialist Network Engineer Some of these do not belong together, and I am sure I am missing a few. So, that being said, how should I sort & categorise these. Thanks, Nick Borland Forever ... Back to top JD Guest Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: What comes first - Analysts and then programmers ... Nick Rambarransingh <NRambarransingh (AT) Videotron (DOT) ca> wrote: Quote: [...] Can anyone clarify In a mainframe environment, skills are more specialized and a Systems Analyst would be higher up because they would be the one working with the end users and the programmers and the techies. They may not be writing the code, but they get everyone on the same page as far as what's possible, what's not and what's unexceptable. A Systems Analyst is usually the most skilled of all of the others because of their duties and since skill comes with experience, their usually the most senior (besides management) and thus are by default higher up. In contrast, the skills for a good Windows programmer mirror those of a Systems Analyst simply because it's impossible to write code without getting into every little thing that an Application Programmer can avoid on a mainframe. ~ JD Back to top Chris Gordon-Smith Guest Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:52 pm    Post subject: Re: What comes first - Analysts and then programmers ... Nick Rambarransingh wrote: Quote: Good Day All, I have a question. Someone suggested to me that an Application Developer is higher in the "HIEARCHARY" than a Systems Analyst. Now, I will admit I have not been in school for a while, but I am sure this is not the case. Can anyone clarify and put these skills in the proper order, from, lets say cradle to grave - sot o speak. Programmer Programmer/Analyst Developer Application Developer Systems Developer Systems Analyst Systems Engineer Architect Application Architect Network Specialist Network Engineer Some of these do not belong together, and I am sure I am missing a few. So, that being said, how should I sort & categorise these. I'll refrain from attempting to put these into some kind of order of precedence. However, I would like to say that your list of roles does not reflect the increasing degree to which IT work is being outsourced from developed countries to developing countries, particularly India. This means that many roles are tending to move from the developed world to the developing world, and there is now an increasing number of people in developed countries whose job it is to manage the various categories of work that have been outsourced to developing countries. Many of these people may have skills that fall into some of the categories you list, but the ability to manage work being done in a different continent is a skill that is becoming increasingly important in a range of roles. -- Chris Gordon-Smith London Homepage: http://graffiti.virgin.net/c.gordon-smith/ Email Address: Please see my Home Page Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.