BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What could I do? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Damian Wood Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: What could I do? Been using Delphi Win32 professionally since d4 when I began programming in '99 a few months before d5 came out (so experience with d4-d7, d2006 -skipped d2005) At various times professionally developed in VB6, VBScript, HTML, javascript and C# Developed against MS SQL Server, Oracle and MS Access Familiar with and have developed professionally on top of the Win32, COM and ..NET (1.0, 1.1, 2.0) Windows Frameworks in both single and multi-tier projects Have a good full-time job maintaining in D5 with new development in Win32/.Net D2006 and C# Have a wonderful wife and no kids Live in Oklahoma (feel like I am the only Delphi developer left here) Without going into the good, bad or ugly of my above credentials - is there anything available a Joe like me could be a part of in order to forward the future of Delphi, or any part of DevCo, even if it is just a bit of side volunteer work? Opinions are welcome Back to top I.P. Nichols Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Re: What could I do? "Damian Wood" wrote: Quote: Live in Oklahoma (feel like I am the only Delphi developer left here) Now you know what it means when people say, "left to twist iu the wind" Back to top Bryce K. Nielsen Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Quote: Without going into the good, bad or ugly of my above credentials - is there anything available a Joe like me could be a part of in order to forward the future of Delphi, or any part of DevCo, even if it is just a bit of side volunteer work? Opinions are welcome I'm out in Utah and have similar background. Very experienced in many languaged, but for business apps, I prefer Delphi. Every company I've talked with that has sympathies towards Delphi (about 5 in the last month) have all said that they won't consider implementing anything from Borland right now. The whole "sell-off" talk was the final straw, moving them towards C#. In one case, it was the "freeness" of C# Express. The only Delphi jobs I'm finding now are A) applications I create for my own purposes and B) companies using "legacy" applications desparate for someone to maintain their application. Everyone else has moved on and won't even consider using the tool. How is DevCo going to overcome this perception? -BKN Back to top Henry Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Quote: The only Delphi jobs I'm finding now are A) applications I create for my own purposes and B) companies using "legacy" applications desparate for someone to maintain their application. Everyone else has moved on and won't even consider using the tool. How is DevCo going to overcome this perception? You're lucky - all the Bs I've encountered have been looking to hire someone with Delphi experience who can port them to C#. This includes a number of very level-headed technology companies. They reckon that if an application needs further development, the benefits of VS/C# are so great that it's worth porting the whole thing. Back to top John Herbster Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: What could I do? "Damian Wood" <o_theophilus (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: ... is there anything available a Joe like me could be a part of in order to forward the future of Delphi, or any part of DevCo, even if it is just a bit of side volunteer work? ... Sure! Right here! You could help answer questions from other programmers. Just look at Peter Below's posts and *try* to do what he does. Regards, JohnH Back to top Damian Wood Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Quote: How is DevCo going to overcome this perception? 1) Announce a buyer for their toolset as quickly as possible. 2) Find and/or create 1 or 2 things their toolset can do better than MS and market these strengths like there is no tomorrow (there may not be!) - become a buzzword - target the online magazine articles developers get in their inbox every day. 3) Enlist the help of willing developers like myself and tap into the passion of their community 4) If they are going to continue to play in the .NET market they must release an IDE that can target the latest runtime no later than 3 months after release. If this cannot happen then don't bother - you're wasting your time. If the VCL is preventing this then either transform it into a true winform or release it as an update. In the end the people see VCL.Net as just another component package. The above is just my opinion. Back to top Damian Wood Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Quote: Now you know what it means when people say, "left to twist iu the wind" Not sure about where you are at but the wind out here can be pretty powerful. In one way it can destroy your home. In another way it can provide your home with the energy it needs to run. It may be that "Borland" has left me twisting in the wind but I don't believe the same about Delphi and I believe that whereever passion mixes with perserverence great things can be accomplished. I see the possibility for this with DTG. Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Damian Wood wrote: Quote: How is DevCo going to overcome this perception? Quote: 2) Find and/or create 1 or 2 things their toolset can do better than MS and market these strengths like there is no tomorrow (there may not be!) - Good post. I have been pondering this point for a few days. So let me ask you: What is it about Delphi that you feel differentiates it from Microsoft's offerrings. Please be as specific as you can. What version of Delphi are you currently using? -d Back to top Damian Wood Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Quote: So let me ask you: What is it about Delphi that you feel differentiates it from Microsoft's offerrings. Please be as specific as you can. Ah Dennis, I was waiting for someone to call me on the carpet here. Here goes: Currently 1) Native Win32 2) Packages - the closest thing to assemblies in Native Win32 that I know of. 3) Unmanaged exports (aka Inverse Interop) - This could be really big if some useful examples could be generated. 4) ECO 5) Database Support 6) Cross-platform (although this needs to be updated) As you can probably see I prefer Native over .NET. However, I am not adverse to .NET at all. But I believe that Delphi is behind at least a year here. I think the big problem with supporting .NET is that you are bound to a contract. There isn't anything you can do with it that will make your language better than anybody else's. In effect you are stuck with relying on IDE enhancements or component packs (VCL.Net) to try and get an edge up on your competition. Language is agnostic in .NET. If I could wish for one thing from the new company it would be this: Win32 Packages that can read the MetaData of .Net Packages and use them seamlessly. This may be an impossible task but if it was accomplished think about the possibilities in development. Quote: What version of Delphi are you currently using? D5 for maintenance and D2006 (both managed/unmanaged) for new Back to top Brandon Staggs Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? "Damian Wood" wrote on Mon, 8 May 2006 22:19:55 -0500: Quote: Live in Oklahoma (feel like I am the only Delphi developer left here) You're not. I live in Broken Arrow. -- Brandon Staggs http://www.swordsearcher.com http://www.studylamp.com http://www.brandonstaggs.com Back to top Damian Wood Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Quote: You're not. I live in Broken Arrow. Great to hear Brandon! I send you an email so we can keep in touch. Is your Bible product in Unmanaged or Managed code, or both? Looks like a great product. I think PC Study Bible used to be written in Delphi too. Not sure if it still is. Do you get many hits on your product? Back to top Charles Appel Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? "Delphi-Man" <delphiman@delphi-world.com> wrote in message news:4460a510 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Henry wrote: the benefits of VS/C# are so great that it's worth porting the whole thing. What kind of 'so great' benefits?.. VS will still be available in five or six years. Delphi may not be. I hope it will survive and I'm going to stay with it - but you can't blame a company for being pessimistic. When I started programming there were lots of language companies. This remained the case for several years. But today most of the old line language houses are gone and so are there products. -- Charles Appel http://charlesappel.home.mindspring.com/ Home of Chuck's Poker Libraries for Delphi, Chuck's Video Poker and Chuck's Toys Back to top Brandon Staggs Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? "Damian Wood" wrote on Tue, 9 May 2006 09:05:30 -0500: Quote: Is your Bible product in Unmanaged or Managed code, or both? Unmanaged. Quote: Looks like a great product. I think PC Study Bible used to be written in Delphi too. Not sure if it still is. I don't know about PC Study Bible, but I've been using Delphi for SwordSearcher since around 2000. Before that it was written with straight Win32 API calls in Borland C++ 4 and later 5. Quote: Do you get many hits on your product? I earn a living. :-) -- Brandon Staggs http://www.swordsearcher.com http://www.studylamp.com http://www.brandonstaggs.com Back to top Delphi-Man Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Henry wrote: Quote: the benefits of VS/C# are so great that it's worth porting the whole thing. What kind of 'so great' benefits?.. Back to top Damian Wood Guest Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: What could I do? Quote: Just look at Peter Below's posts and *try* to do what he does. Regards, JohnH Which group does he hang out in? I've always felt a bit inadequate when trying to answer other people's questions. Not that I couldn't do it but I have this weird fear of being laughed at for getting something wrong. 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