BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What do you most want from BCB v9? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Randall Parker Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: What do you most want from BCB v9? Title says it all. I figure most people are not heavily pining away for the latest VCL level from Delphi v7. Granted, there are some useful fixes in there. But from the complaints here the VCL bugs do not seem to be the biggest issues. Am I correct in thinking that most here believe that fixing bugs that cost programmer productivity are more important than adding new features? What types of bugs are most important and most in need of being fixed? 1) VCL bugs. 2) OP compiler bugs. 3) C++ compiler bugs. 4) Linker bugs. 5) IDE bugs for common operations. 6) Build bugs aside from those caused by compiler or linker. 7) Debugger bugs. 8) Other? In terms of features what do you most want? 1) Compiler standards compliance. 2) Compiler code execution speed improvements. 3) New IDE features. Which ones? 4) Multi-build configuration in a single project. 5) New debugger features. 6) Other? Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:46 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? "Randall Parker" <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote in message news:40a2df63$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: What types of bugs are most important and most in need of being fixed? 1) VCL bugs. Yes. Quote: 2) OP compiler bugs. Yes. Quote: 3) C++ compiler bugs. Yes. Quote: 4) Linker bugs. Yes. Quote: 5) IDE bugs for common operations. Yes. Quote: 6) Build bugs aside from those caused by compiler or linker. Yes. Quote: 7) Debugger bugs. Yes. Quote: Other? Yes. I say yes to all of the above because I am personally effected by all of the above at one point or another. I develop a lot of programs for my work, and each project has its own share of coding, debugging,and testing requirements. Quote: In terms of features what do you most want? 1) Compiler standards compliance. Yes. Quote: 4) Multi-build configuration in a single project. Yes. Quote: 5) New debugger features. Yes. Gambit Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:11 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? Remy, We can't get everything we want. What are your priorities? Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote: Quote: "Randall Parker" <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote in message news:40a2df63$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... What types of bugs are most important and most in need of being fixed? In terms of features what do you most want? Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:11 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? Randall Parker wrote: Quote: 1) VCL bugs. Yes. 2) OP compiler bugs. 3) C++ compiler bugs. Yes. 4) Linker bugs. Yes. 5) IDE bugs for common operations. Yes. 6) Build bugs aside from those caused by compiler or linker. 7) Debugger bugs. 8) Other? In terms of features what do you most want? 1) Compiler standards compliance. Yes. 2) Compiler code execution speed improvements. 3) New IDE features. Which ones? 4) Multi-build configuration in a single project. Yes. 5) New debugger features. Yes. 6) Other? Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? Hi Randall, Probably we should report with bugs priority. I guess setting a CGI or ASP page will help in terms of collecting and processing this type of information. Randall Parker wrote: Quote: Title says it all. Back to top JD Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 4:48 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? Randall Parker <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Title says it all. No it doesn't. Who are you to be asking these questions? Not that you can't or shouldn't but some might get false hope that BCB isn't dead. And since when is there a BCB9? Quote: I figure most people are not heavily pining away for the latest VCL level from Delphi v7. I'd say that most CBuilders are praying away for continued VCL support in the next C product from Borland - period. Quote: Am I correct in thinking that most here believe that fixing bugs that cost programmer productivity are more important than adding new features? That's six of one and half a dozen of the other. What I have found is that in nearly all bug cases, someone comes up with a solution/workaround that becomes easily found with a quick google. Quote: What types of bugs are most important and most in need of being fixed? Compiler and linker bugs. Quote: In terms of features what do you most want? Compiler standards compliance is a must. I can live without the rest but Compiler code execution speed improvements would be nice too. But what's the point? ~ JD Back to top OBones Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? Randall Parker wrote: Quote: Am I correct in thinking that most here believe that fixing bugs that cost programmer productivity are more important than adding new features? Programmer productivity is a must, I don't experience much bugs. Quote: 2) OP compiler bugs. The one about pointer types is a nasty one. Quote: 4) Linker bugs. More detailed error messages would be nice. Quote: 3) New IDE features. Which ones? That's simple: Add the ability to specify a set of IDE wide include directories, just like any good IDE. Quote: 4) Multi-build configuration in a single project. Hell, that would be good. Along with virtual folders... Quote: 5) New debugger features. Yeah, automatic local variables in watch, showing the return values... Pretty much like VC++7 debugger actually Quote: 6) Other? A real and official support from Borland ? Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? "JD" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote Quote: And since when is there a BCB9? Since a Borland employee recently started leaking information about it. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:24 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? "Randall Parker" <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote in message news:40a2e799$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: What are your priorities? Everything I said Yes to. Gambit Back to top JD Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: Since a Borland employee recently started leaking information about it. Oh joy of joys!! ~ JD Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? "JD" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Oh joy of joys!! You obviously haven't been paying attention to this newsgroup the past few days, that's all anyone has been talking about recently. Gambit Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? JD wrote: Quote: Who are you to be asking these questions? Not that you can't or shouldn't but some might get false hope that BCB isn't dead. And since when is there a BCB9? Since Borland said so very recently. You need to read all the recent posts from the last few days made by people who have "(Borland)" in their user names. So back to my questions: Given that there is going to be a BCB v9 people need to figure out what they most want to have in it. This seems like a good time to enter bug reports and feature requests in Quality Central. Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? OBones wrote: Quote: 3) New IDE features. Which ones? That's simple: Add the ability to specify a set of IDE wide include directories, just like any good IDE. Have you filed a QC entry on this one? Quote: 4) Multi-build configuration in a single project. Hell, that would be good. Along with virtual folders... How do you see virtual folders working? Do you want to get away from the need to assign each file in a directory into a project? Just have BCB auto-detect which files are in each directory assigned to the project? Quote: 5) New debugger features. Yeah, automatic local variables in watch, showing the return values... Pretty much like VC++7 debugger actually Return values? Don't you see them in the variable they are assigned to? Not sure what you mean by that. Back to top Nicola Musatti Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? Randall Parker wrote: Quote: Title says it all. I figure most people are not heavily pining away for the latest VCL level from Delphi v7. Granted, there are some useful fixes in there. But from the complaints here the VCL bugs do not seem to be the biggest issues. Am I correct in thinking that most here believe that fixing bugs that cost programmer productivity are more important than adding new features? What types of bugs are most important and most in need of being fixed? 1) VCL bugs. Yes. Quote: 2) OP compiler bugs. Less important. Quote: 3) C++ compiler bugs. Very important, but... (see below) Quote: 4) Linker bugs. Not currently affected. Quote: 5) IDE bugs for common operations. Top priority. Quote: 6) Build bugs aside from those caused by compiler or linker. Not currently affected. Quote: 7) Debugger bugs. Not currently affected. Quote: Other? In terms of features what do you most want? 1) Compiler standards compliance. Yes, but for the time being only to the extent that currently working code isn't broken, or at least can be very easily fixed (i.e. compliance should be reached gradually). Quote: 2) Compiler code execution speed improvements. Not very important. Quote: 3) New IDE features. Which ones? - Header only units. - Better support for project groups. Quote: 4) Multi-build configuration in a single project. Yes. Quote: 5) New debugger features. Better support for standard containers. Quote: 6) Other? Better diagnostics for template related problems (indicate the instruction that fired the instantiation!) Cheers, -- Nicola Musatti Team Thai Kingdom Back to top Eelke Klein Guest Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: What do you most want from BCB v9? Randall Parker wrote: Quote: Title says it all. I figure most people are not heavily pining away for the latest VCL level from Delphi v7. Granted, there are some useful fixes in there. But from the complaints here the VCL bugs do not seem to be the biggest issues. Am I correct in thinking that most here believe that fixing bugs that cost programmer productivity are more important than adding new features? As far as I am concerned yes and I would say that those bugs that cause a correctly written program to behave incorrectly like library or compiler linker bugs are most important. Bugs which cause the IDE to crash or behave incorrectly are also annoying but in general they are much more apparent and will not cost you days to track down. Quote: What types of bugs are most important and most in need of being fixed? 1) VCL bugs. 2) OP compiler bugs. 3) C++ compiler bugs. 4) Linker bugs. 5) IDE bugs for common operations. 6) Build bugs aside from those caused by compiler or linker. 7) Debugger bugs. Other? All bugs are annoying fix the most annoying ones first no matter in what part they are. Quote: In terms of features what do you most want? 1) Compiler standards compliance. yes 2) Compiler code execution speed improvements. no (I do not think there is much to gain for the avarage program) 3) New IDE features. Which ones? Virtual folders in project, buildin support for documentation systems like doxygen. Quote: 4) Multi-build configuration in a single project. Yes 5) New debugger features. Better watches/inspectors especially when inspecting templates. 6) Other? Build of multiple packages/dll's in the right order with regard to their dependencies on each other. 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