BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What heppen with VCL ?? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (IDE) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Per Kare Foss Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:05 am    Post subject: What heppen with VCL ?? Hi! We use C++Builder v6, and so far we have upgraded when newer versions was on the market. Not so this time because of all the uncertainty regarding C++BuilderX support for VCL (which we have used a LOT in several applications). There where one letter from Borland back in October(I think), which stated that they would come back with more info. I can not find any information about that. Can somebody of you point me to information about this ?? If Borland has decided to not support VCL I have to admit I am disappointed (after used Borland tools since 1984 - 20years anniversary !!:-) Hope to hear from you!! Per Kare Foss Aceca Geologica Stavanger Norway [email]pkf (AT) geologica (DOT) no[/email] Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:05:34 +0200, Per Kare Foss wrote: Quote: There where one letter from Borland back in October(I think), which stated that they would come back with more info. I can not find any information about that. You remember that too, huh? Quote: Can somebody of you point me to information about this ?? No. There never was such a letter. Borland appear not to give a damn about us anymore. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? I probably mentioned this in non-technical group (which is where this message should be) but I would of thought the best route for Borland to take would of been: 1) Release BCB6 2) Bugfix BCB6 3) Release CBX but stress that it wasn't a replacement for BCB. 4) Release BCB7 5) Bugfix CBX 6) Bugfix BCB7 7) Release CBX2 as a replacement for BCB7 with the RAD designer etc. in it. A lot more logical instead of leaving a lot of us out in the cold while they prat around with wxWindows. G. Back to top john blackburn Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? Andrue Cope wrote: Quote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:05:34 +0200, Per Kare Foss wrote: There where one letter from Borland back in October(I think), which stated that they would come back with more info. I can not find any information about that. You remember that too, huh? Can somebody of you point me to information about this ?? No. There never was such a letter. Borland appear not to give a damn about us anymore. It's not just BCB that will be affected; Delphi users must be just as concerned as it is all the same VCL. Notice, how none of the posts like this get a Borland response ? Maybe they don't have an answer. Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? Quote: No. There never was such a letter. Borland appear not to give a damn about us anymore. It's not just BCB that will be affected; Delphi users must be just as concerned as it is all the same VCL. Notice, how none of the posts like this get a Borland response ? Maybe they don't have an answer. The problem if someone from Borland makes a statement on a newsgroup (esp. an official newsgroup) is that it very rapidly becomes gospel, and hard to dispel - especially if it affects the end-users directly. For instance, say an employee comes on here and says that they will be releasing a new patch for BCB6 where in actual fact he had misheard them talking about CBX. Now we'd get hold of that snippet of information and start screaming when? And then they have to backtrack etc and tell us there is nothing coming out. Easier for them to blanket ignore the forums. Hence why we have TeamB. Non-official - ergo they aren't privy to any private information and so Borland don't have to deny or confirm anything one of them might say, but we lesser programmers get help from a knowledgable source. G. Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:30 +0100, Graham Reeds wrote: Quote: The problem if someone from Borland makes a statement on a newsgroup (esp. an official newsgroup) is that it very rapidly becomes gospel, and hard to dispel - especially if it affects the end-users directly. That's exactly what someone from Borland QA just did in a thread in non-technical. Someone happened to mention D9 and up pops a Borland employee to reassure us that D9 will include VCL.Win32 support. Gosh. I guess the word Delphi still rings their bell. Shame that Builder doesn't. It even motivated Remy to post a slightly aggressive response and he normally defends Borland. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? Quote: It even motivated Remy to post a slightly aggressive response and he normally defends Borland. And did they make a public response? I might have to sign back up for non-tech. since I was getting bored of waiting for an answer. G. Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:02:30 +0100, Graham Reeds wrote: Quote: It even motivated Remy to post a slightly aggressive response and he normally defends Borland. And did they make a public response? Not yet. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? How about this for a new take on the BCB6 situation. Normally Borland do a new release every year (or so) which costs us X (dollars/pounds etc) At least if there's no new version we are saving the X amount. I know there are bugs and it's not perfect - but it works and I can still write apps for it so I'm still making money - without feeling I ought to be buying the latest and greatest version. Rgds, Pete Remember, sometimes the glass is half full not half empty "Andrue Cope" <no.spam (AT) spammy (DOT) com> wrote Quote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:02:30 +0100, Graham Reeds wrote: It even motivated Remy to post a slightly aggressive response and he normally defends Borland. And did they make a public response? Not yet. Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? Quote: How about this for a new take on the BCB6 situation. Normally Borland do a new release every year (or so) which costs us X (dollars/pounds etc) At least if there's no new version we are saving the X amount. I'd never thought about it like that:-) Quote: I know there are bugs and it's not perfect - but it works and I can still write apps for it so I'm still making money - without feeling I ought to be buying the latest and greatest version. Well we are still using BCB5 despite buying BCB6. We got it when it was hot off the presses - which meant we got all the bugs as well. After wrestling with trying to work on some of our projects we gave up (we didn't know about having to recreate the project back then) because the IDE was too flaky and we couldn't hang around waiting for Borland to fix them. I've never had enough time to actually try out v6 properly - there's always one thing which has immeadiate priority (I have one on my desk dated 10th Jan:-) G. Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? "Andrue Cope" <no.spam (AT) spammy (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Borland appear not to give a damn about us anymore. I suggest you refrain from making such statements here. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? "john blackburn" <john.blackburn (AT) lintonhealy (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: It's not just BCB that will be affected; Delphi users must be just as concerned as it is all the same VCL. Delphi is in no danger. Borland has already released information about Delphi's future. Delphi 9, will bring back Win32 support (Delphi 8 is only ..NET at the moment, but the existing VCL was pretty much completely ported to .NET with little changes to class interfaces and such). Quote: Notice, how none of the posts like this get a Borland response ? Most Borlanders don't frequent the newsgroups. And those that do haven't donr so very much recently (that I've noticed, anyway). Besides, these are peer-to-peer support groups to begin with, not official Borland support groups. TeamB is the closest thing to offical Borland presence in the newsgroups (of course, that doesn't always mean we have all the answers, either - we are users too). Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? "Graham Reeds" <grahamr (AT) omnieng (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Hence why we have TeamB. Non-official Ahem.... we are fairly official repreentatives of Borland interests in the newsgroups, particularly considering that Borland created TeamB in the first place. What, you think we are a self-appointed group? Nope, membership to TeamB is by invitation only and Borland signs off on all invitations. Quote: ergo they aren't privy to any private information Actually, we are. But we are under NDA not to disclose anything until Borland does so publically first (or gives us the go-ahead to disclose here). Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? "Andrue Cope" <no.spam (AT) spammy (DOT) com> wrote Quote: It even motivated Remy to post a slightly aggressive response and he normally defends Borland. Excuse me? To which post are you referring? Gambit Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: What heppen with VCL ?? "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote Quote: Most Borlanders don't frequent the newsgroups. And those that do haven't donr so very much recently (that I've noticed, anyway). Besides, these are Hmm. You don't think there's some sort of causal relationship here? Quote: peer-to-peer support groups to begin with, not official Borland support groups. TeamB is the closest thing to offical Borland presence in the newsgroups (of course, that doesn't always mean we have all the answers, either - we are users too). As for TeamB, although I've been getting more and more annoyed at Borland, I don't think complaining about you guys is productive. I know that you have a somewhat more optimistic approach than others but one of the main things keeping people with Borland is the support that you guys offer. 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