BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What is ASP Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Dave White Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: What is ASP OK, dumb question time, but what briefly is ASP? I keep reading that D2005 (there's my Delphi link) is great for ceating ASP modules, and I know it stands for Active Server Pages, but beyond that I'm clueless. The reason I ask is that I was always under the impression that this was a Microsoft technology. I've just changed service providers for my website hosting, and they provide ASP support. I figured I could learn this, and replace my static web site with something a bit more up to date. But if ASP requires a Microsoft browser on the client side, then I'm out of luck. A lot of my clients are university and government bodies, and they don't all use IE (especially the universities). I wasn't able to get a clear answer to this using Google - the vast amounts of information just muddied the waters more. TIA Back to top mamcx Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP ASP = Active Server Pages. So, with this, you have way to generate html, like can be with PHP, CGI, ASP.NET, Ruby, WebBorker, Intraweb, etc... By today standars, is considered a "old" technology.... I think that today can be best use ASP.NET or PHP -- Mutis: The open source indexing/search engine for Delphi http://mutis.sourceforge.net/ (Alpha stage: Developers Wanted!) Back to top Wayne Niddery [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP Dave White wrote: Quote: OK, dumb question time, but what briefly is ASP? I keep reading that D2005 (there's my Delphi link) is great for ceating ASP modules, and I know it stands for Active Server Pages, but beyond that I'm clueless. ASP (old) <> ASP.Net (new). Quote: But if ASP requires a Microsoft browser on the client side, then I'm out of luck. No, the client doesn't matter, ASP.Net generates html / javascript that should (and at least mostly does) run on any browser and any computer (i.e. Linux, Max, etc.) -- Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. (www.logicfundamentals.com) RADBooks: http://www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html Those who disdain wealth as a worthy goal for an individual or a society seem not to realize that wealth is the only thing that can prevent poverty. - Thomas Sowell Back to top Dave White Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP "mamcx" <thismail (AT) notexist (DOT) com> wrote Quote: By today standars, is considered a "old" technology.... I think that today can be best use ASP.NET or PHP Thanks mamcx and Ingvar, but isn't ASP.Net tied to Microsofts OS, or is that only on the server side? If I developed a site using ASP.Net, would a client running a Mac, or a Linux box be able to browse my site? I don't want to support every browser out there, but don't want to alienate users of complete OS's, especially in the education sector. Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP Dave White wrote: Quote: OK, dumb question time, but what briefly is ASP? A recipe for a real headache Painkiller: ASP.Net -- Ingvar Nilsen http://www.ingvarius.com Back to top Dave Nottage [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP Dave White wrote: Quote: If I developed a site using ASP.Net, would a client running a Mac, or a Linux box be able to browse my site? Yes. Like ASP, ASP.NET is a server-side technology. -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Back to top Dave White Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP "Wayne Niddery [TeamB]" <wniddery (AT) chaffaci (DOT) on.ca> wrote Quote: No, the client doesn't matter, ASP.Net generates html / javascript that should (and at least mostly does) run on any browser and any computer (i.e. Linux, Max, etc.) Excellent, that make things very clear. I'll start investigating this weekend. Thanks everybody. Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP mamcx wrote: Quote: ASP = Active Server Pages. So, with this, you have way to generate html, like can be with PHP, CGI, ASP.NET, Ruby, WebBorker, Intraweb, etc... By today standars, is considered a "old" technology.... I think that today can be best use ASP.NET or PHP ASP, as I see it, is an early attempt to bring some order in the web applications world. (Yes, Java I know) You get something resembling object orientation, you can even compile "objects" in Delphi and call them from your ASP pages. These objects can do anything, really, one snag though - one have to restart the server whenever this object is renewed and uploaded. I partly had good experiences with this, using Delphi packages, and actually with an incredible response from the server. Lightning fast. But - it soon ends up in a mess. When Steve Ballmer presented W 2003 server in Oslo, someone asked from stage if anybody had ever successfully developed a real complicated ASP web app. Nobody raised a hand... Well, all this was blown away with ASP.Net. Real server based OOP, as we are used to. Delphi rocks here too, of course, but plays a different tune ;-) -- Ingvar Nilsen http://www.ingvarius.com Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: What is ASP Dave White wrote: Quote: but isn't ASP.Net tied to Microsofts OS, or is that only on the server side? If I developed a site using ASP.Net, would a client running a Mac, or a Linux box be able to browse my site? Absolutely! Quote: I don't want to support every browser You may need to take some precautions, but not many. Test your web app in Opera <g> (Norwegian Browser) and it will be ok in other browsers. Quote: out there, but don't want to alienate users of complete OS's, especially in the education sector. Concentrate on the server! If it supports .Net, you're ready to go! -- Ingvar Nilsen http://www.ingvarius.com Back to top ckd Guest Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: What is ASP On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:27:58 -0500, mamcx <thismail (AT) notexist (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: WebBorker My favorite :-) Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:09 am    Post subject: Re: What is ASP ckd wrote: Quote: My favorite LOL. Nanoo, nanoo! -- John Kaster http://blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com If it's not here, it's not happening: http://ec.borland.com Back to top Chris Brooksbank Guest Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP "No, the client doesn't matter, ASP.Net generates html / javascript that should (and at least mostly does) run on any browser and any computer (i.e. Linux, Max, etc.)" Unless you write HTML that doesnt. AFAIK its still a major paint to write sites that work on more than one browser, especially if you handwrite lots of JavaScript and/or stylesheets. Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP Chris Brooksbank wrote: Quote: "No, the client doesn't matter, ASP.Net generates html / javascript that should (and at least mostly does) run on any browser and any computer (i.e. Linux, Max, etc.)" Unless you write HTML that doesnt. AFAIK its still a major paint to write sites that work on more than one browser, especially if you handwrite lots of JavaScript and/or stylesheets. It may be a pain if you try to achieve something special that one browser supports, has as its speciality. But if you follow the W3C standards, you should be safe. I test my pages in Opera, because Opera claims they follow these standards strictly. An according to my experience, it then looks ok in other browsers too. IE has some peculiarities, but they can be worked around. -- Ingvar Nilsen http://www.ingvarius.com Back to top Dave White Guest Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP "Chris Brooksbank" <NoSpamPlease@Somewhere> wrote Quote: Unless you write HTML that doesnt. AFAIK its still a major paint to write sites that work on more than one browser, especially if you handwrite lots of JavaScript and/or stylesheets. I'll not be doing anything too flashy. ASP.Net is a new tool to put on my belt, and I figured as my new web hosting provider supports this, I can kill two birds with one stone by jazzing up my web site a bit, while at the same time learning something new. Back to top Dave Nottage [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: What is ASP Ingvar Nilsen wrote: Quote: I test my pages in Opera, because Opera claims they follow these standards strictly. An according to my experience, it then looks ok in other browsers too. It's my experience that how it "looks" in one browser to the next can have nothing to do with standards conformance :-/ -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.