BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What multi-tier components to use Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Petros Amiridis Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: What multi-tier components to use Hi, I want to develop a new multi-tier application (thin client + application server) that uses the Internet. I use Direct Oracle Access and Delphi 2005 Professional. I am considering writing a Win32 application. What multi-tier components do you recommend? I am considering ASTA, RemObjects or MidWare. Is there anything else is available and if there is which is the best and most popular? Thanx, Petros Back to top Marcello Dias Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Hi, I think Rem Objects to be the more elegant and 'Delphi way' of them. I couldn´t even try Asta due to bugs I encoutered,but that was three years ago. I think the learn curve o Rem Objects to be very small. Marcello "Petros Amiridis" <amiridis wrote: Quote: Hi, I want to develop a new multi-tier application (thin client + application server) that uses the Internet. I use Direct Oracle Access and Delphi 2005 Professional. I am considering writing a Win32 application. What multi-tier components do you recommend? I am considering ASTA, RemObjects or MidWare. Is there anything else is available and if there is which is the best and most popular? Thanx, Petros Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Quote: I want to develop a new multi-tier application (thin client + application server) that uses the Internet. I use Direct Oracle Access and Delphi 2005 Professional. I am considering writing a Win32 application. What multi-tier components do you recommend? I am considering ASTA, RemObjects or MidWare. Is there anything else is available and if there is which is the best and most popular? Hi To round out your list of candidates, there is kbmmw as well.. I have used ASTA, kbmmw, and RemObjects / Data Abstract, and my preference is RemObjects. But you should evaluate the different solutions to see what best suits your needs. With ASTA, take a close look at their licencing model. You have to pay per server deployed, which can be quite expensive if you ship to more than one customer. I don't know much (in fact, anything) about MidWare, so won't say anything on it. kbmmw and RemObjects are newer than ASTA, and have more 'modern' architectures than ASTA in my opinion. In addition, I think they are more 'n-tier'. ASTA says it is n-tier, but you don't really develop in terms of various tiers and services, it's more of a dataset oriented client/server solution with a messaging framework and more of the functionality moved onto the server. At least, that's the way I look at it. RO/DA has strengths for architecturing your application in a service-oriented manner with vearious cleanly conceived business tiers. RO/DA is more strongly typed than kbmmw which, while it is usually a good thing with many advantages, might mean that kbmmw has advantages in situations such as for example when you need to change your database structure during runtime. Anyway, listen to some opinions, download some trials from the products which appeal to you most, and away you go. BTW, this question is asked reasonably often and explored in some depth, so you might like to Google on terms such as 'RO', 'kbmmw', etc. HTH Lauchlan Mackinnon [Team RO] Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Depends on what kind of applications you want to write. If you want to write a Web application which uses a Web Browser as Thin Client, and want to have complete control over your output HTML and input data, take a look at RealThinClient components: www.realthinclient.com Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Quote: What multi-tier components do you recommend? RemObjects. -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainSPAMendeavorHERE (DOT) com[/email] http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Hi Petros, Quote: What multi-tier components do you recommend? For Delphi Professional, I recommend RemObjects SDK. Quote: Petros Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) - Borland Technology Partner Delphi 2005 PDF manuals available from http://www.drbob42.com/training Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Quote: I want to develop a new multi-tier application (thin client + application server) that uses the Internet. Oh, and for the internet bit, I suggest IntraWeb or Express Web Frameworks. HTH Lauchlan Mackinnon Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Quote: What multi-tier components do you recommend? For Delphi Professional, I recommend RemObjects SDK. Does your recommendation change with different Delphi SKUs? How so? I would have thought it would be much the same for all SKU's, but would vary if you wanted to start considering Borland's extensions to .net remoting, ECO, etc in the Architect SKU's. ie, it might vary by platform (Win32 or .net) more than by SKU. Regards, Lauchlan M Back to top Petros Amiridis Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Danijel Tkalcec wrote: Quote: Depends on what kind of applications you want to write. [...] My client will be a windows native application, but in the future I want to be able to write a second HTML Web app that reuses business logic from the application server. Petros Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Hi Lauchlan, Quote: Does your recommendation change with different Delphi SKUs? It depends. In the Enterprise or higher editions, you also get "in the box" both DataSnap (for Win32 servers and Win32, Linux (SOAP only) or ..NET (DCOM only) clients), and the RemoteServer/RemoteConnection .NET components. So if you want to use those technologies, you wouldn't have to buy any additional tools, that's all I'm saying. Quote: I would have thought it would be much the same for all SKU's, but would vary if you wanted to start considering Borland's extensions to .net remoting, ECO, etc in the Architect SKU's. ECO is another one, although not too strong on the multi-tier side ;-) Quote: ie, it might vary by platform (Win32 or .net) more than by SKU. I was thinking DataSnap (Win32) and RemoteServer/RemoteConnection (.NET). Quote: Lauchlan M Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) - Borland Technology Partner Delphi 2005 PDF manuals available from http://www.drbob42.com/training Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Then you should consider using RealThinClient components, since you have full control over data being sent and received (there is no enforced way of doing things, you get to choose) and you can mix components for calling remote functions with those producing simple HTML code for the web browser. You can also use remote functions which you implemented for the client, to produce the HTML output for a webserver, since those functions are implemented as events to which you can pass parameters (this can be any structure or just a simple value) and it returns a result (can also be anything from a simple value to a complex structure containing multiple datasets or multi-dimensional arrays where each element is a value of any kind). Anyway ... using RTC, you are the one who has the control over your code, not some wizzard, code-generator or pre-designed set of components. Btw ... I am currently working on making RTC components 100% compatible with Lazarus (FreePascal). Best Regards, Danijel "Petros Amiridis logismos >" <amiridis message news:428b32a4$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Danijel Tkalcec wrote: Depends on what kind of applications you want to write. [...] My client will be a windows native application, but in the future I want to be able to write a second HTML Web app that reuses business logic from the application server. Petros Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Quote: I was thinking DataSnap (Win32) and RemoteServer/RemoteConnection (.NET). ok, got it. I'd sort of forgotten about DataSnap in D2005, since they didn't port DataSnap servers to D8 (purely Delphi.NET). But it makes sense that DataSnap servers are back in D2005 (for Win32), since they had already done the work for it in D7. Thanks for the explanation! But I think I'd still recommend RO over DataSnap.I think he'd probably save himself a lot of time, enjoy it more, and find more power and flexibility in the framework. :) But that's just my choice. <g> Lauchlan M Back to top Ed Dressel Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use RemObjects is a elegant solution. Ed Dressel Back to top Marcello Dias Guest Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Bob Swart <b.swart (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote: So if you want to use those technologies, you wouldn't have Quote: to buy any additional tools, that's all I'm saying. Ok.But Rem Objects make applications easier to write and more performatic than the original components and are also safier(Synce you can encrypt packages).Isn´t It? I´m not a Rem Objects user.Since the company where I work now,does not let me use Third part components(Except DevExpress ones). Marcello Back to top Fikret Hasovic Guest Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: What multi-tier components to use Petros Amiridis wrote: Quote: What multi-tier components do you recommend? kbmMW!!! -- Best regards, Fikret Hasovic http://fikret.fbtalk.net USAID TAMP Senior Programmer * FirebirdSQL Foundation member. - Join today at http://www.firebirdsql.org/ff/foundation * JEDI VCS contributor http://jedivcs.sourceforge.net/ * Firebird and Fyracle news http://www.fyracle.org Posted with XanaNews 1.17.4.1 Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.