BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  What's all the fuss about? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Rhys Sage Guest Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:58 pm    Post subject: What's all the fuss about? I keep hearing about a letter from Borland regarding the future of BCB, Delphi etc. I'm just wondering what all the fuss is about. As my current computer seems to be pretty much at the end of what I can sensibly do with it, I'm toying with the idea of going over to Macs or using Linux more seriously and simply abandoning Windows. The market for Windows software seems to be absolutely flooded and the general phillosophy of Windows programmers seems to be "if it exists, why write something similar" instead of "ok. I can do that better". To be honest, I'm absolutely fed up with Windows and with the fact that every few years Windows comes out in a new version that is supposed to solve all the issues with the previous version but which never does and which simply adds more issues. <rant> Windows is the worst piece of software ever written. Windows is only popular because Microsoft has convinced everybody that it's the only available option. I'm going over to Macs. </rant> -- Yours, Rhys Sage. www.sageworld.freeserve.co.uk for code snippets and software downloads. -- Vini vidi vici -- (Team Zip) Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Rhys Sage wrote: Quote: I keep hearing about a letter from Borland regarding the future of BCB, Delphi etc. About the future of BCBX, actually. -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... 'til you can find a rock." -- bumper sticker Back to top Ed Mulroy [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Then why are you reading messages and posting here? .. Ed Quote: Rhys Sage wrote in message news:3f91c59b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... rant Windows is the worst piece of software ever written. Windows is only popular because Microsoft has convinced everybody that it's the only available option. I'm going over to Macs. /rant Back to top Mike Collins Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 1:34 am    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Well, we won't be seeing you here again then. What is your basis for your statement that Windows is the worst written software ever. They've got the installation of there OS down to a tee, something Linux couldn't do. I threw out Red Hat after spending 4 days trying to install. Windows is for the masses, you don't have to be a white faced computer geek with grubby Y-fronts (sorry any non-geek linus peps) to use it, surely a large percentage of the software WE develop is for 'jo-blogs' public. I'd like to say that your comments were constructive and insightful.... - but there not, Have fun in Mac land... "Rhys Sage" <No.Spam@ta> wrote Quote: I keep hearing about a letter from Borland regarding the future of BCB, Delphi etc. I'm just wondering what all the fuss is about. Back to top Mike Collins Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? What do you think MAC or Linux software is writen in? English :-) Back to top Phoenix Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Rhys Sage wrote: Quote: rant Windows is the worst piece of software ever written. Windows is only popular because Microsoft has convinced everybody that it's the only available option. I'm going over to Macs. /rant then why are you bothering to post here? -- .. P. Back to top Aney Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Quote: I'm just wondering what all the fuss is about. It could have something to do with people with real programs written using the VCL. They have customers who use these programs and their livelihoods depend on them. Can you grasp that concept? Quote: As my current computer seems to be pretty much at the end of what I can sensibly do with it I have no idea what that sentence means, but I suggest: 1. Tie a very long piece of string to your computer 2. Carry your computer to the top of a very tall building and dangle the string over the edge. 3. Go to the bottom of the building 4. Pull the string. Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Aney wrote: Quote: I'm just wondering what all the fuss is about. It could have something to do with people with real programs written using the VCL. They have customers who use these programs and their livelihoods depend on them. Can you grasp that concept? I can. And I understand why people are agitated. But I don't understand people who say they will dump everything they have done in the last few years *right now*. Starting all over, throwing development of whatever it is back for I don't know how many months, makes a lot less business sense than shifting a decision for a few weeks. I would only understand it if people would have to start a new long term project right now. In all other cases, I would wait. -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "They have computers, and they may have other weapons of mass destruction." -- Janet Reno, Us Attorney General, 02-27-98 Back to top Digby Millikan Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? My livelyhood depends on VCL I have been programming around the clock for years and years on my project as I'm sure many have and would be set back at least two years if we lost VCL support, I would have to rewrite my entire program. I don't want to rewrtie the code I have, but I would be happy to pickup with wxWindows from here on, though I would like to still have VCL RAD development to edit the code I have. Digby Millikan http://www.users.on.net/digbym Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Digby Millikan wrote: Quote: My livelyhood depends on VCL I have been programming around the clock for years and years on my project as I'm sure many have and would be set back at least two years if we lost VCL support, I would have to rewrite my entire program. Exactly. Quote: I don't want to rewrtie the code I have, but I would be happy to pickup with wxWindows from here on, though I would like to still have VCL RAD development to edit the code I have. Could you maintain that in BCB6 as well? -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "I don't feel good." - Luther Burbank, dying words Back to top R.F. Pels Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Aney wrote: Quote: I'm just wondering what all the fuss is about. It could have something to do with people with real programs written using the VCL. They have customers who use these programs and their livelihoods depend on them. Can you grasp that concept? Can you grasp 'keep using your current version and phase out Borland specific programs in the coming four years?' <rant> I really cannot understand people that willingly and knowingly buy into software that is controlled by somebody else, and a monopoly at that, be it Microsoft and/or Borland. As long as they make good tools, I'm a customer. As soon as they don't, goodbye. Which idiot ever told me to rely on a single software vendor? </rant> Quote: As my current computer seems to be pretty much at the end of what I can sensibly do with it I have no idea what that sentence means, but I suggest: 1. Tie a very long piece of string to your computer 2. Carry your computer to the top of a very tall building and dangle the string over the edge. 3. Go to the bottom of the building 4. Pull the string. Yeah right. Are you paying for this nice dual PIV with a gazillion bytes RAM and disk for me? Naaah. My PII 350 is silently humming along doing its duty, thank you very much. -- Ruurd Back to top R.F. Pels Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Mike Collins wrote: Quote: What is your basis for your statement that Windows is the worst written software ever. They've got the installation of there OS down to a tee, something Linux couldn't do. I threw out Red Hat after spending 4 days trying to install. Windows is for the masses, you don't have to be a white faced computer geek with grubby Y-fronts (sorry any non-geek linus peps) to use it, surely a large percentage of the software WE develop is for 'jo-blogs' public. HAH! Just wait until they've got problems. Expecting from room-temperature users to be able to install an operating system is idiotic. The computer realm is still the area of experts. -- Ruurd Back to top Digby Millikan Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? That depends how many years Windows will support BCB6, (I am actually running BCB5) anyone venture to guess, what is the plans for windows, are we going 64bit in the near future, I *could* do with the speed. Digby Millikan http://www.users.on.net/digbym "Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <rvelthuis (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote Quote: Digby Millikan wrote: My livelyhood depends on VCL I have been programming around the clock for years and years on my project as I'm sure many have and would be set back at least two years if we lost VCL support, I would have to rewrite my entire program. Exactly. I don't want to rewrtie the code I have, but I would be happy to pickup with wxWindows from here on, though I would like to still have VCL RAD development to edit the code I have. Could you maintain that in BCB6 as well? -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? Digby Millikan wrote: Quote: That depends how many years Windows will support BCB6, (I am actually running BCB5) anyone venture to guess, what is the plans for windows, are we going 64bit in the near future, I could do with the speed. For 64 bit, a tool like CBX, in which one can plug different compilers, and of which the IDE is written in Java, might be a way to go. -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." -- Edsger Dijkstra Back to top Digby Millikan Guest Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: What's all the fuss about? How many years will Windows support BCB6 for? Digby Millikan http://www.users.on.net/digbym "Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <rvelthuis (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote Quote: Digby Millikan wrote: That depends how many years Windows will support BCB6, (I am actually running BCB5) anyone venture to guess, what is the plans for windows, are we going 64bit in the near future, I could do with the speed. For 64 bit, a tool like CBX, in which one can plug different compilers, and of which the IDE is written in Java, might be a way to go. -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." -- Edsger Dijkstra Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next Page 1 of 5   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.