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Gunnar Beushausen
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: What's going on with BCB? |
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Hi!
Does anybody have some new info's about the new BCB version that's going
to be incorporated into Delphi? Since the CEO change, nobody official
showed up here, no new infos got posted. Borlands customer support is as
worse as it was before the announcement that they are going to
incorporate it into Delphi.
Personally i think they ran into problems and the new management
canceled the product once again.
Cheers
Gunnar
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Andrue Cope [TeamB]
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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Gunnar Beushausen wrote:
| Quote: | Personally i think they ran into problems and the new management
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You were wrong the first time you said that and you're still wrong. I
/strongly/ suggest that you not make this a monthly occurence.
To see the previous response see
Message ID:<43033c83 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>.
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Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
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Anders Ohlsson (Borland)
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Chris W
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:40 am Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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Doesn't this pathetic moron have anything better to do than make feeble
attempts at antagonizing Borland and it's customers?
Chris W
Gunnar Beushausen wrote:
| Quote: | Hi!
Does anybody have some new info's about the new BCB version that's going
to be incorporated into Delphi? Since the CEO change, nobody official
showed up here, no new infos got posted. Borlands customer support is as
worse as it was before the announcement that they are going to
incorporate it into Delphi.
Personally i think they ran into problems and the new management
canceled the product once again.
Cheers
Gunnar
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LarryJ
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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I have a question about how Delphi merged with BCB is going to work. Will
there be debug and Code Guard type features we can not use if we are
programming C++ or will we have access to the same debug features as Delphi
programmers? And what about the list or Warnings currently in the BCB
debugger, will they change?
thanks
Larry Johnson.
"Anders Ohlsson (Borland)" <aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote
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Alex Bakaev [TeamB]
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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LarryJ wrote:
| Quote: | I have a question about how Delphi merged with BCB is going to work. Will
there be debug and Code Guard type features we can not use if we are
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CodeGuard available only in C++.
| Quote: | programming C++ or will we have access to the same debug features as Delphi
programmers? And what about the list or Warnings currently in the BCB
debugger, will they change?
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What debugging features available to Delphi are missing from C++?
..a
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Hallvard Vassbotn
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:23 am Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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"Alex Bakaev [TeamB]" <zxtt (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote
| Quote: | What debugging features available to Delphi are missing from C++?
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Writing bugfree code from the start ...<eg>?
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Gustav Rosev
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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Is it really that difficult to accept the reality that Borland abandoned its
customers (C++ programmers in particular).
Even if they release the new version of C++ builder in a form, canned in to
Delphi box or by any other means, can you really trust Borland anymore?
I was a Borland fanatic for many many years. And I have waited very long for
a better and new version of C++ Builder and gave up last year. I would not
spend a single cent for any Borland product any more. Not because their
products are bad (most of their products are excellent) but the support does
not exist and you can not trust what they say.
| Quote: | Hi!
Does anybody have some new info's about the new BCB version that's going
to be incorporated into Delphi? Since the CEO change, nobody official
showed up here, no new infos got posted. Borlands customer support is as
worse as it was before the announcement that they are going to incorporate
it into Delphi.
Personally i think they ran into problems and the new management canceled
the product once again.
Cheers
Gunnar
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Pete Fraser
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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Yes, they have been asleep for a very long time but No, they realised
their mistake and are working on it now. I would guess that we might
have a new version before the new year based on previous Delphi
releases so until then I wouldn't get overly worried.
Rgds Pete
"Gustav Rosev" <gr (AT) rosev (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Is it really that difficult to accept the reality that Borland abandoned
its customers (C++ programmers in particular).
Even if they release the new version of C++ builder in a form, canned in
to Delphi box or by any other means, can you really trust Borland anymore?
I was a Borland fanatic for many many years. And I have waited very long
for a better and new version of C++ Builder and gave up last year. I would
not spend a single cent for any Borland product any more. Not because
their products are bad (most of their products are excellent) but the
support does not exist and you can not trust what they say.
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Mike Margerum
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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The sad thing is even with all its warts, this 4 year old product still
kicks the crap out of every other C++ ide for windows. I'm really
hoping they revive the C++ product because I, for one, am willing to
plunk down the cash for it.
| Quote: | Is it really that difficult to accept the reality that Borland abandoned its
customers (C++ programmers in particular).
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CharlesLeggette
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:18 am Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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We use MS VC++ about 40% of the time and C++Bldr about 60% and I can tell
you projects get done 2 or 3 x faster with C++Bldr, even with the 6.0
warts....give up C++ Bldr...no way!!!
"Gustav Rosev" <gr (AT) rosev (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | Is it really that difficult to accept the reality that Borland abandoned
its customers (C++ programmers in particular).
Even if they release the new version of C++ builder in a form, canned in
to Delphi box or by any other means, can you really trust Borland anymore?
I was a Borland fanatic for many many years. And I have waited very long
for a better and new version of C++ Builder and gave up last year. I would
not spend a single cent for any Borland product any more. Not because
their products are bad (most of their products are excellent) but the
support does not exist and you can not trust what they say.
Hi!
Does anybody have some new info's about the new BCB version that's going
to be incorporated into Delphi? Since the CEO change, nobody official
showed up here, no new infos got posted. Borlands customer support is as
worse as it was before the announcement that they are going to
incorporate it into Delphi.
Personally i think they ran into problems and the new management canceled
the product once again.
Cheers
Gunnar
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Luigi Bianchi
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:22 am Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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"Pete Fraser" <pete.fraser (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, they have been asleep for a very long time but No, they realised
their mistake and are working on it now. I would guess that we might
have a new version before the new year based on previous Delphi
releases so until then I wouldn't get overly worried.
Rgds Pete
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Well, it's too late for me. What's unacceptable is Borland confusion with their products. Give a look at the strategy and products of the last 10 years.
OWL: it is better than MFC because it is written in ANSI C++ while NFC needs some hacking.
VCL: use VCL that is better than OWL because is use non standard features that allows to write faster code.
wxWidgets: use wxWidgets because C++ Builder is a dead product line and it fundamental for the future to have cross-platform ANSI C++ libraries and the oportunity to target many platforms.
We know the story. Thay changed again idea and went back to C++ Builder and VCL.
Now that craziest idea is that every time they changed strategy thay also changed the potential users and they didn't worried about old developers, those who make grow Borland (and viceversa).
So OWL was abandoned and was not possible to open source or support it because Borland didn't want to sell it or releae to the community. C++ BuilderX was abandoned and nobody was able to use it. C++ Builder was dead, then re-birth and then again what will happen?
I'm still supporting code done with OWL and I am using MSVC because it supports it better than BCB. I'll never use a new framework from Borland and I'll use Borland products just for supporting old code when necessary. MS has many bad things, but I'll never be alone.
Luigi
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Pete Fraser
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:53 am Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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I can understand where you are coming from as I wrote some apps in OWL
but once I went to BCB I never looked back. It was much more productive than
OWL. And even with the attempted move to wxWidgets - which never actually
happened - I stayed with VCL until something was released. I'm glad I did
that
as once the new Dexter is out, I should be able to keep developing in C++.
And hopefully Borland will support .NET 2.0 with C++ and a VCL like library
to help us port across C++ apps to .NET
I've been using BCB6 for the past 4 years with no major problems. The
alternative
of MSVC does not bear thinking about. I looked at it once and never want to
see it again. I personally don't want to produce .NET apps yet so the only
alternative is MFC and that is just very non-productive.
Rgds Pete
"Luigi Bianchi" <aaa (AT) bbb (DOT) ccc> wrote
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Well, it's too late for me. What's unacceptable is Borland confusion with
their products. Give a look at the strategy and products of the last 10
years.
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Hendrik Schober
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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Pete Fraser <pete.fraser (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I can understand where you are coming from as I wrote some apps in OWL
but once I went to BCB I never looked back. It was much more productive than
OWL.
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GUI-wise, maybe. The BCW IDE certainly played in a
league way above BCB.
| Quote: | And even with the attempted move to wxWidgets - which never actually
happened - I stayed with VCL until something was released. I'm glad I did
that
as once the new Dexter is out, I should be able to keep developing in C++.
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But that (I think) is Luigi's point: You can only do
so /unless/ they again change their strategy. And
given what I've seen over the last 10 years, this
really isn't something I would want to bet a company
on.
| Quote: | And hopefully Borland will support .NET 2.0 with C++ and a VCL like library
to help us port across C++ apps to .NET
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And hopefully they support (more of) the C++ std,
And hopefully they provide better project management.
And hopefully they now closely track VCL improvements.
And hopefully they ...
Oh yeah -- and hopefully they don't pull the plug on
the product again in two years.
I've seen no roadmap and that's a Bad Sign (TM). And
given Borland's records I wouldn't trust one I saw
before I hadn't (1) seen them very closely following
it for one or two years and (2) seen many, many other
changes in the way they treat their customers.
Sorry, but I have already been through the OWL1->OWL2
transition, have seen a company die because they did
not have enough resources for the OWL2->VCL transition,
have seen the BCB-is-dead-Long-live-CBX would-have-been
transition, had at least three bug reporting systems
promissing me my bug would get attention when it never
did, have seen a product being released with a beta
version splash screen, have seen years of customers
complaining that they need patches at least for the
show-stopper bugs while Borland just pointed at the
next product version (which usually combined the old
bugs with new ones), and if any patches were released,
it was the customers' task to discuss here what they
might or might not fix.
And all that time, VC/MFC were slowly but constantly
improved, and while undoubtly based on a bad design,
it worked all the time and their customers were never
required to start all over and never felt like they
had been abandoned.
| Quote: | I've been using BCB6 for the past 4 years with no major problems. The
alternative
of MSVC does not bear thinking about. I looked at it once and never want to
see it again. I personally don't want to produce .NET apps yet so the only
alternative is MFC and that is just very non-productive.
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You're only talking GUI here, right? I used to use
Borland for many years and had to switch to VC a few
years ago. The only thing missing in VC was RAD GUI
development. In just about every other aspect VS
seems to be better than BCB's IDE. (And in many it
really is a helluva lot better.)
I can see that for many of you RAD GUI stuff really
is important. (Why else would most of you you be here,
after all?) But it's not all the differences between
BCB and VS.
Schobi
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[email]SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de[/email] is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org
"Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving"
Terry Pratchett
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Colin B Maharaj
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on with BCB? |
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Hey, I am (we are) developer as well and I have had guys trying to
configure some of my apps for 48 hours straight and failing because it
was a bug in the app. I hate to admit it, but sometimes I write buggy
code especially when you have over 100 forms and 215 cpp and header
files in your largest project and well over 24 projects in the suite I
am working on.
It is, Totally Impossible to write very complex apps, like a compiler,
that works well for the first time.
Right now there is a Beta (DeXter) which I joined but not have been
participating as I should, but otherwise there still is activity there
with guys (and gals no doubt) working their tails off for you and me.
I hail anyone who undertake such a monumental task of creating a
compiler with an IDE, and because BCB is actually productive means they
are writing twice the amount of code than they should else it would look
like MS Visual C++. Writing stuff that is actually easy to use takes
twice the amount of coding time and lines than pure functional apps.
I am glad that Borland did what they did. They have got my sale from day
one.
Long live Borland.
Hallvard Vassbotn wrote:
| Quote: | "Alex Bakaev [TeamB]" <zxtt (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:432aee56$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
What debugging features available to Delphi are missing from C++?
Writing bugfree code from the start ...<eg>?
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