BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Where is my crystall ball parser for Borland letters?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message J Alexander Guest Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 7:33 am    Post subject: Where is my crystall ball parser for Borland letters? B> Borland would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the long lasting support you have provided Borland and its C++Builder product line. We recognize and appreciate the extensive developer base that relies on the VCL-based Borland C++Builder, and the many end user solutions that are deployed with C++Builder technology. We believe there is great value in moving both C++Builder and your existing investments forward. What? They are saying they took that long time and constant arguing on the newsgroups, intimating that we all here were of no value to them, not representative, etc., to end up with those platitudes. Borland, just drop the b.s. B> Therefore, we are pleased to assure the community that Borland will continue to develop VCL-based C++. In what shape or form? We all were waiting for details, not the vague promisses that we heard ad nauseam before. B> The next version of C++Builder will be part of the Delphi IDE family, enabling you to take advantage of the latest Delphi VCL and IDE framework and many of the new C++ features that you have requested. Who cares about whether it will be included with Delphi or not. What many of new C++ features that we have requested? Will the bugs in BCB6 be fixed or not? Will the compiler be standard compliant or not? Will the compiler optimizations be finally there? Which compiler will be used? Will VCL be ..NET based or not? Will it be backward compatible? Will it be CBX or BCB line? Any details at all? Don't know yourselves? - Just say so. B> It is our intention to include this personality in or before the next major release of Delphi. What's personality? Are you intentionally chosing the meaningless words in order to say something without saying anything? B> We will be communicating additional details and timelines as they become available. Translation: we promissed a letter by Dec.15, but don't really have anything to say. So be satisfied with this tripe and vague promisses. We may choose to say something or nothing in the future that may have some or no relation to what you have just read. B> We are grateful to you for your commitment to Borland and specifically the C++Builder product line. We learn a great deal about your achievements through open dialogue, and we hope and intend that these lines of communication will remain open and active. Somehow I doubt that. I'm very disappointed, even though everything happened exactly as I expected: news:419ebcb3$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... J Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Where is my crystall ball parser for Borland letters? "J Alexander" <local (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> wrote Quote: B> Therefore, we are pleased to assure the community that Borland will continue to develop VCL-based C++. In what shape or form? We all were waiting for details, not the vague promisses that we heard ad nauseam before. If you read the letter more closely, and follow the discussions recently, especially those that make reference to the last BorCon, then that answer has already been addressed. Borland will be releasing C++ as another personality in the next major BDS release, alongside the existing Delphi and C# personalities. Quote: Who cares about whether it will be included with Delphi or not. Every BCB user should care. BCB uses the Delphi IDE and the Delphi VCL to begin with. Borland stating that the new version of C++ will again use the latest Delphi IDE and Delphi VCL is great news. It means that BCB will finally get all of the features, bug fixes, enhancements, etc. that Delphi users have been enjoying for several years now but C++ users never got. Quote: Will VCL be .NET based or not? Will it be backward compatible? VCL.NET is 90-odd% backwards compatible with VCL/Win32. That was one of its major bullet-points when Delphi.NET was first released. Existing projects could be migrated to .NET with little or no code change at all. Quote: Will it be CBX or BCB line? Again, if you read the letter more closely, the answer is already stated - it will be the BCB line. CBX is a completely separate product from BCB. CBX is not at issue here. BCB is. Quote: What's personality? The current Delphi product line is actually called BDS now, aka "Borland Development Studio". The IDE architecture is more generalized, with each "personality" acting like a plugin that extends the IDE with support for a particular language. BDS already has Delphi and C# personalities available. C++ is the next personality being added. Quote: Are you intentionally chosing the meaningless words in order to say something without saying anything? They are not meaningless to those who have been following the discussions for a while now. Gambit Back to top Relaxin Guest Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: Where is my crystall ball parser for Borland letters? I've been following the discussions, and to me...Borland's letter is meaningless and full of hot air and vague "promises"!! "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote Quote: They are not meaningless to those who have been following the discussions for a while now. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Where is my crystall ball parser for Borland letters? "Relaxin" <me (AT) yourhouse (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I've been following the discussions, and to me...Borland's letter is meaningless and full of hot air and vague "promises"!! It is no "vague promise". They are already commited to it. They showed a working demo at BorCon. The effort is already in place and working, it just needs fleshing out to finish making an actual product out of it. Gambit Back to top Oscar Fuentes Guest Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Where is my crystall ball parser for Borland letters? "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> writes: [snip] Quote: Will VCL be .NET based or not? Will it be backward compatible? VCL.NET is 90-odd% backwards compatible with VCL/Win32. That was one of its major bullet-points when Delphi.NET was first released. Existing projects could be migrated to .NET with little or no code change at all. Errr... My old BCB5 projects uses lots of third party components. Isn't this a problem wrt migration to VCL .NET? Furthermore, my GUI C++ code mixes VCL calls and conventional C++ (pointers to VCL componets on STL containers, some raw Win32 access for APIs not covered by the VCL, etc). Isn't this a problem wrt migration to VCL .NET? -- Oscar Back to top OBones Guest Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Where is my crystall ball parser for Borland letters? Oscar Fuentes wrote: Quote: "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> writes: [snip] Will VCL be .NET based or not? Will it be backward compatible? VCL.NET is 90-odd% backwards compatible with VCL/Win32. That was one of its major bullet-points when Delphi.NET was first released. Existing projects could be migrated to .NET with little or no code change at all. Errr... My old BCB5 projects uses lots of third party components. Isn't this a problem wrt migration to VCL .NET? Furthermore, my GUI C++ code mixes VCL calls and conventional C++ (pointers to VCL componets on STL containers, some raw Win32 access for APIs not covered by the VCL, etc). Isn't this a problem wrt migration to VCL .NET? 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