BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Randall Parker Guest Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? If IBM bought the tools that would eliminate JBuilder as a separate Java dev tools competitor. There are other Java dev tools. Some are free. I do not see that as a big loss. Would IBM try to shift all Delphi and C++ work into Eclipse? Would IBM do to Borland tools what it did to OS/2? How about Oracle? Seems to me that Oracle is in a weak spot. Don't think they'll have the cash to invest well in dev tools. Open source RDBMSs are becoming steadily better. IBM and Microsoft have made great strides with their own RDBMSs. Even Sybase SQL Anywhere can scale up so high that it can handle lots of jobs that only Oracle and DB2 could handle 10 or 15 years ago. How about Google? Great company. Talented people. Lots of cash. But would they see value in owning Borland's tools? For what advantage against MS? Making better portable dev tools perhaps? Or would Google want to own a compiler to optimize it to extreme degrees to reduce the number of servers they have to run? Computer Associates: In my nightmares. Not them. No, not them. Borland's best developers would leave. They'd double prices. Sybase? They seem too small at this point. How are they doing? Novell seems too small. Ditto Corel. Adobe? How about Sun? Would they want to revive Kylix and make excellent portable fat app dev tools? Can they afford to develop such tools? Back to top Relaxin Guest Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? Quote: How about Oracle? Seems to me that Oracle is in a weak spot. Don't think they'll have the cash to invest well in dev tools. Oracle has nearly $3.5 BILLION cash in the bank! Back to top Vladimir Stefanovic Guest Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? Quote: Oracle has nearly $3.5 BILLION cash in the bank! American 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000 European 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000,000 Am I right? -- Best regards, Vladimir Stefanovic Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? At 09:07:05, 12.02.2006, Vladimir Stefanovic wrote: Quote: Oracle has nearly $3.5 BILLION cash in the bank! American 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000 European 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000,000 Am I right? Correct. What the US call a billion, we call a milliard. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.de/ "In the end, everything is a gag." - Charlie Chaplin (1889-1977) Back to top Alan Bellingham Guest Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: At 09:07:05, 12.02.2006, Vladimir Stefanovic wrote: Oracle has nearly $3.5 BILLION cash in the bank! American 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000 European 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000,000 Am I right? Correct. What the US call a billion, we call a milliard. Whereas we Brits have just got confused, and tend now to use the incorrect US form, rather than the old 'illion per 6 places' form. Alan Bellingham -- Team Thai Kingdom <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/> Borland newsgroup descriptions <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/netiquette.html> netiquette Back to top Michael McCulloch Guest Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? All your choices are public companies. I would rather see the tools purchased by a private company that would build community and a support structure without the crushing pressure of short term profits. Given the bad press and ill will fostered by this Borland fiasco in the developer community, no public company will be able to turn the IDE tools into a fantastic profit machine overnight. To have the tools bought for that purpose would quickly ensure their death IMO. Of course, whether a private company can afford the investment all depends on how much Borland's present management is interested in getting top dollar vs. doing what might be best for the tools long-term. --- Michael McCulloch Back to top David Intersimone \"David Guest Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? "Randall Parker" <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43ee46cb$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: If IBM bought the tools that would eliminate JBuilder as a separate Java dev tools competitor. There are other Java dev tools. Some are free. I do not see that as a big loss. INVESTORS Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? David Intersimone "David I wrote: Quote: "Randall Parker" <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote in message news:43ee46cb$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... If IBM bought the tools that would eliminate JBuilder as a separate Java dev tools competitor. There are other Java dev tools. Some are free. I do not see that as a big loss. INVESTORS So, if the interested party has enough money, but not the faintest idea what an IDE is, they're welcome to buy in?!? Listen to the advice of your userbase - we want a technical management for a technical company. I trust this is clear. -- Mark Jacobs http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk Back to top John Jacobson Guest Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? Mark Jacobs <markj (AT) critical (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message <43f3200c$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com> Quote: Listen to the advice of your userbase - we want a technical management for a technical company. As Mick used to say, "You can't always get what you want." It's not like there is a lot of VC in this world. Beggars can't be choosers. -- ***Free Your Mind*** Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 0.9.4.2058 Back to top James Gibbons Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? David Intersimone "David I wrote: Quote: INVESTORS Well, at least with the stock down 10% after the announcement they should get it at a discount! Looks like the street didn't like the good news. Also looks to me like management has their heads in some dark place. Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? James Gibbons wrote: Quote: David Intersimone "David I wrote: INVESTORS Well, at least with the stock down 10% after the announcement they should get it at a discount! Looks like the street didn't like the good news. Also looks to me like management has their heads in some dark place. Hardly surprising when they release something that is still not good enough for the purchase price - still too many serious bugs, not least of which is the help system! And I'm one of their most loyal fans. But I warned them not to release until it was as bug-free as possible, even if they had to drop features. But they didn't - they tried to release everything all together, and it didn't work. Ho hum.... -- Mark Jacobs http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? At 17:15:51, 17.02.2006, Mark Jacobs wrote: Quote: Hardly surprising when they release something that is still not good enough for the purchase price - still too many serious bugs How do you know? You are even refusing to install the trial version. You'll see many people (using C++ or Delphi) who think that BDS2006 is the best release ever, and a real pleasure to work with. I am one of them, BTW. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.de/ "83.7% of all statistics are made up" - Stephen Wright Back to top James Gibbons Guest Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools? Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: At 17:15:51, 17.02.2006, Mark Jacobs wrote: Hardly surprising when they release something that is still not good enough for the purchase price - still too many serious bugs How do you know? You are even refusing to install the trial version. You'll see many people (using C++ or Delphi) who think that BDS2006 is the best release ever, and a real pleasure to work with. I am one of them, BTW. I consider myself a loyal fan too and plan to upgrade soon when all the components I use are ready. I am also considering what I will do dependent on who buys the IDE and how well I think they will continue the C++Builder support. If it doesn't look good, away I will go and I will take our company and fellow programmers with me. I sure hope it turns out well, but considering the dumb decision to announce the sale before finding a buyer, I think management will not pick the best buyer for continued support. They may have thought they would get the stock price up by the announcement as they see the IDE business as a drag on profits, but it went 15% down instead. So far I have just watched the stupid decisions and continued programming, but now I must consider the future of our development tools. Great way to run a company, Mr. Borland. 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