BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  WIN32 and .NET Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Wang Feng Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 10:16 am    Post subject: WIN32 and .NET DELPHI9 will support both .NET and WIN32 development. MS Visual Studio will support both .NET (VC#.NET) and WIN32 (VC++.NET with MFC). Now, what will BCB user do? We can use BC#B for new .NET development, but then what about old WIN32 development? Borland has to continue the BCB product line for WIN32 development until the day when .NET completely replace the WIN32. Before that happen, WIN32 development is still the major market.To terminate BCB product line is foolish. When DELPHI will continue to support WIN32 development in DELPHI9, why will BCB not to continue? Lets have a BCB9 then. Is the decision maker in Borland crazy enough to abandon BCB user? Should we switch to MS.Visual Studio for WIN32 development? Wang, Feng Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET You've missed the point. BCB developers use AnsiStrings and TStreams and all manner of other well-thought-out classes to program their applications with. We are now being told that these are no longer supported and we have to port our code over to Microsoft proprietary technologies, or lose our customers. We resent being told this. Personally, I do not care what Delphi X or BC#B support, because, if it isn't BCB VCL, then I am not going to be interested. Until they can show me something better than VCL programming in BCB's IDE, why the heck should I be bothered at all. I'll just stick to what I know, and what I've got, until I can no longer continue development (ie. Win32 apps are no longer supported by the OS). Believe you me, I will just laugh when your clients are unable to use your .NET application simply because the Internet is unavailable. I implore you all to think about what you are doing, and where you are going. If you don't, in a few years time, you will all end up needing a component on an unavailable Microsoft server in order to run your "Hello World" program, and terrorists will target local exchanges to bring down certain applications. -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk markj atty critical dotty co dotty uk "Wang Feng" <fwang11 (AT) pub3 (DOT) fz.fj.cn> wrote Quote: DELPHI9 will support both .NET and WIN32 development. MS Visual Studio will support both .NET (VC#.NET) and WIN32 (VC++.NET with MFC). Now, what will BCB user do? We can use BC#B for new .NET development, but then what about old WIN32 development? Borland has to continue the BCB product line for WIN32 development until the day when .NET completely replace the WIN32. Before that happen, WIN32 development is still the major market.To terminate BCB product line is foolish. When DELPHI will continue to support WIN32 development in DELPHI9, why will BCB not to continue? Lets have a BCB9 then. Quote: Is the decision maker in Borland crazy enough to abandon BCB user? Should we switch to MS.Visual Studio for WIN32 development? Wang, Feng Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET On 25 May 2004 03:16:35 -0700, Wang Feng wrote: Quote: Is the decision maker in Borland crazy enough to abandon BCB user? Should we switch to MS.Visual Studio for WIN32 development? We are currently waiting for an open letter that will tell us what existing Builder users can look forward to from Borland. Although there has never been an official date for this letter it was expected to appear over a week ago so should be imminent. If you look back over the messages here in the past month or two you will find a lot of threads discussing this very subject. There has been a comment from at least one Borland employee to the effect that there will be a BCB9 but the release date for such a product is completely unknown. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top zedd Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET Quote: and terrorists will target local exchanges to bring down certain applications. If they focus on bringing down applications instead of buildings, that'll be for the better. Z Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET On Tue, 25 May 2004 11:46:26 +0100, Mark Jacobs wrote: Quote: Believe you me, I will just laugh when your clients are unable to use your .NET application simply because the Internet is unavailable. I implore you all to think about what you are doing, and where you are going. If you don't, in a few years time, you will all end up needing a component on an unavailable Microsoft server in order to run your "Hello World" program, and terrorists will target local exchanges to bring down certain applications. I think it's a bit late to be getting frightened about the existence of the Internet. It's already here and already proving itself to be the best thing to hit computing since the silicon chip. I think you'll have to accept it or go live in a cave half way up a mountain. I doubt if there will any computers not connected to a network of some kind by the end of the decade. It might not be the Internet but I'm sure there'll be a machine somewhere that can act as a .NET server to dish up whatever is needed. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top BigStew Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET Doomed, we're all doomed... Stew "Mark Jacobs" <markj atty critical dotty co dotty uk> wrote Back to top john blackburn Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET BigStew wrote: Quote: Doomed, we're all doomed... Stew "Mark Jacobs" <markj atty critical dotty co dotty uk> wrote in message news:40b323f4 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Don't panic, remember back to the twenties when Standard Oil ruled the world until the government sorted the buggers out and broke them down into more controllable chunks (esso, amoco, chevron sohio and the like) - same happened to A.T & T (Ma Bell). IBM was smashed down another way - same will happen to Microsoft and the same will happen to all future pretenders that try to rival the government. Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET On Tue, 25 May 2004 14:40:53 +0100, BigStew wrote: Quote: Doomed, we're all doomed... That reminds of the story about the old, empty barn. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. There was nothing in it really. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester UK] Back to top Valence Crearer Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET zedd wrote: Quote: and terrorists will target local exchanges to bring down certain applications. If they focus on bringing down applications instead of buildings, that'll be for the better. Z <g> Yes, much better; for the terrorists. Back to top Valence Crearer Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET <-: g :-> BigStew wrote: Quote: Doomed, we're all doomed... Stew "Mark Jacobs" <markj atty critical dotty co dotty uk> wrote in message news:40b323f4 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET Quote: Don't panic, remember back to the twenties when How old are you? I don't remember much before 1980:-) Besides, Governments had a lot more power then. Now there are quite a few companies whos revenue outrival several small countries GNP. G. Back to top john blackburn Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET Graham Reeds wrote: Quote: Don't panic, remember back to the twenties when How old are you? I don't remember much before 1980:-) Besides, Governments had a lot more power then. Now there are quite a few companies whos revenue outrival several small countries GNP. G. You don't have to be old to know history even if it is of another country. Back to top Graham Reeds Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET Quote: You don't have to be old to know history even if it is of another country. I was being facetious over the word remember. G. Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET Valence Crearer <crearer (AT) oconee (DOT) sema.slb.com> wrote: Quote: zedd wrote: and terrorists will target local exchanges to bring down certain applications. If they focus on bringing down applications instead of buildings, that'll be for the better. Z g> Yes, much better; for the terrorists. Please take this conversation to the off topic group. It does not belong here. Back to top Alisdair Meredith Guest Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: WIN32 and .NET Andrue Cope wrote: Quote: I doubt if there will any computers not connected to a network of some kind by the end of the decade. It might not be the Internet but I'm sure there'll be a machine somewhere that can act as a .NET server to dish up whatever is needed. Disagree, although it will increasingly be special cases and by design. For instance, the internet is a huge potential security hole, and I can imagine that being an issue in mission critical systems. Turn off the internet, turn off many attack vectors. Likewise, internet outages appear to be becoming more common. You may run connected normally, but still need to plan for unconnected use. eg. imagine a race-team pit-lane (for instance <g>) There may be a self contained network there, but its internet connection could be a fragile thing. Since the entire operation will only exist for 5 days, it is an interesting challenge to the suppliers to make that short-term connection available. 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