BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Windows XP and the future of Windows Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Captain Kirk Guest Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 9:37 pm    Post subject: Windows XP and the future of Windows This is interesting: I bought a copy of XP professional and spent 3 days trying to install it. Mandrake Linux went on in 45 minutes. Windows went on in about an hour but crashed fatally fairly quickly after. The piece de resistance was that it worked well for about 6 hours yesterday. Returning to it the next morning, I was getting an error message that stated "error 0x00703e6" with a note to the effect that the activation code could not be found. Of course, it locked me out so I couldn't find what was causing the problem in order to solve it! Prior to this, on a previous installation, the system crashed and went into a boot-crash loop that I could not break out of. That was initiated by XP losing track of file fragments under its NFTS system. Reinstalling under FAT 32 solved this but on the latest crash, another problem seems to have surfaced. Thus far, I have found nothing but instability with XP Pro - even when the latest updates are downloaded. I'd managed to get Delphi 7 on and had started to work on a new project too. All that's lost and gone forever. So, it seems I made a major error in deciding to go for XP Pro. After 15 attempts at installation that failed completely, I can quite honestly say that i consider XP to be thoroughly broken and not worth anybody's while to buy. It might be fun to play with a pirated copy but it's certainly not worth buying. Looking at Microsoft's record, all their operating systems have justifyable critiscisms as to their reliability. Having experienced multiple crashes under 95 and 98 and having found NT doesn't want to install on a 40 GB disk, XP seemed the obvious choice. As they're obviously peddling broken software, I ask the question - how long can Microsoft claim itself to be a serious supplier of operating systems. And by the way, I'm using Mandrake to write this. I gave up on XP and will go for a refund. Then I'm considering selling the PC I've just built and going for a Mac instead. James Tiberius Kirk Back to top Eugene Mayevski Guest Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Captain Kirk wrote: Quote: Looking at Microsoft's record, all their operating systems have justifyable critiscisms as to their reliability. Having experienced multiple crashes under 95 and 98 and having found NT doesn't want to install on a 40 GB disk, XP seemed the obvious choice. Win2K seems to be the best choice so far. Quote: As they're obviously peddling broken software, I ask the question - how long can Microsoft claim itself to be a serious supplier of operating systems. They are . There's nothing about quality in the above statement. -- Eugene Mayevski EldoS Corp., CTO Networking and security solutions, custom development services http://www.eldos.com Back to top bcb Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows James, you must be one of those unlucky folks today. As bad as XP can be it's not that bad. I've installed 5 xp systems (3 ntfs and 2 fat32 ) thus far without any problems. For my xp installation didn't take over an hour. Then installed all the latest OS patches, installed BCB6 and 3rd party components without any problems The problem I had with XP is that if you start installing on a unformatted HD, for all drives sizes it doesn't give you the option for formatting the drive as fat32. I'm not sure how it goes if you interrupt an XP installation. If I remember correctly you must re-install from scratch? Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows There are tens of millions of PCs out there. Some small fraction will fail on XP, a different fraction on Win2k, another fraction on Mandrake Linux, etc. You can't reach any conclusions from a sample size of 1. Sometimes an OS will use some feature that is broken on particular hardware that other OSs don't use. Sometimes a particular driver rev will not be compatible wtih a particular chip rev of some peripheral chip. Given the sheer number of combinations of hardware configs and hardware bugs and revs it is not surprising some OSs fail on some hardware. Captain Kirk wrote: Quote: This is interesting: I bought a copy of XP professional and spent 3 days trying to install it. Mandrake Linux went on in 45 minutes. Windows went on in about an hour but crashed fatally fairly quickly after. The piece de resistance was that it worked well for about 6 hours yesterday. Returning to it the next morning, I was getting an error message that stated "error 0x00703e6" with a note to the effect that the activation code could not be found. Of course, it locked me out so I couldn't find what was causing the problem in order to solve it! Back to top Tom Boser Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows If the hardware is truely XP compliant, it will run fine. There are so many clones out there and a lot of hardware is newer then when XP was released. The manufacturer's drivers could have bugs, which most do and that bugs make XP look bad when in fact there isn't anything Microsoft can do. You mention going to a Mac... nothing against a Mac but then what type of PC are you running and what's the hardware config? It's rare to find a new HP or Dell that has troubles with XP and atleast you have choices in manufacturers and processors and operating systems (well sort of on that last one!) "Randall Parker" <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fb07458 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: There are tens of millions of PCs out there. Some small fraction will fail on XP, a different fraction on Win2k, another fraction on Mandrake Linux, etc. You can't reach any conclusions from a sample size of 1. Sometimes an OS will use some feature that is broken on particular hardware that other OSs don't use. Sometimes a particular driver rev will not be compatible wtih a particular chip rev of some peripheral chip. Given the sheer number of combinations of hardware configs and hardware bugs and revs it is not surprising some OSs fail on some hardware. Captain Kirk wrote: This is interesting: I bought a copy of XP professional and spent 3 days trying to install it. Mandrake Linux went on in 45 minutes. Windows went on in about an hour but crashed fatally fairly quickly after. The piece de resistance was that it worked well for about 6 hours yesterday. Returning to it the next morning, I was getting an error message that stated "error 0x00703e6" with a note to the effect that the activation code could not be found. Of course, it locked me out so I couldn't find what was causing the problem in order to solve it! Quote: Back to top Micha Nelissen Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Captain Kirk wrote: Quote: This is interesting: I bought a copy of XP professional and spent 3 days trying to install it. Mandrake Linux went on in 45 minutes. Windows went on in about an hour but crashed fatally fairly quickly after. The piece de resistance was that it worked well for about 6 hours yesterday. Returning to it the next morning, I was getting an error message that stated "error 0x00703e6" with a note to the effect that the activation code could not be found. Of course, it locked me out so I couldn't find what was causing the problem in order to solve it! Windows XP detected linux and it decided to quit . Micha. Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Captain Kirk, Quote: So, it seems I made a major error in deciding to go for XP Pro. After 15 attempts at installation that failed completely, I can quite honestly say that i consider XP to be thoroughly broken and not worth anybody's while to buy. It might be fun to play with a pirated copy but it's certainly not worth buying. What it sounds like is that you need to give that computer a major overhaul. There's something seriously wrong with a machine that can't take a Windows XP installation. Even our most ardant Linux fans agree that XP is easy to install and causes no problems. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester, UK] Back to top Stew Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows I think you are unfairly blaming XP for hardware incompatibilities/faults. If the same shop supplied you 2 out of 3 faulty hard drives, are you confident the rest of the hardware is OK? I'd take it back, and ask them to either install XP or demand your money back. Stew Captain Kirk <abuse (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> wrote: Quote: It just seems to me that XP is simply chronic rubbish. I formatted the drive each time prior to installation. What more can I do? James Back to top Captain Kirk Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Hi Andrue, It's a brand new PC. It's got a Gigabyte GA-7VKMP mainboard, an Athlon 2200 CPU (according to the shop - my quick check in the bios reveals it's an AMD 1500) and 256 MB of DDR. The hard disk is a good one and from a different source. The one I had from the same source as the bits I made the PC from failed within 3 days (I've bought 3 hard disks from that shop and two failed) It just seems to me that XP is simply chronic rubbish. I formatted the drive each time prior to installation. What more can I do? James Andrue Cope wrote: Quote: Captain Kirk, So, it seems I made a major error in deciding to go for XP Pro. After 15 attempts at installation that failed completely, I can quite honestly say that i consider XP to be thoroughly broken and not worth anybody's while to buy. It might be fun to play with a pirated copy but it's certainly not worth buying. What it sounds like is that you need to give that computer a major overhaul. There's something seriously wrong with a machine that can't take a Windows XP installation. Even our most ardant Linux fans agree that XP is easy to install and causes no problems. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester, UK] Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Captain Kirk, Quote: It just seems to me that XP is simply chronic rubbish. I think you're in a very small minority there. At least as far as getting it installed is concerned. Quote: I formatted the drive each time prior to installation. What more can I do? Do web searches. Contact the manufacturer or supplier. /The machine is faulty if it won't support XP/. I doubt if even the most ardent Linux fan would disagree with that. Make sure you've upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. Make sure everything is securely seated. Replace the RAM. Make sure you have the latest drivers for /everything/. I and others can only assure you that Windows XP is not chronic rubbish. It *does* install on 99% of computers without any problems. If it doesn't install on your machine then your machine is at fault. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester, UK] Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Captain Kirk, Quote: It just seems to me that XP is simply chronic rubbish. I think you're in a very small minority there. At least as far as getting it installed is concerned. Quote: I formatted the drive each time prior to installation. What more can I do? Do web searches. Contact the manufacturer or supplier. /The machine is faulty if it won't support XP/. I doubt if even the most ardent Linux fan would disagree with that. Make sure you've upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. Make sure everything is securely seated. Replace the RAM. Make sure you have the latest drivers for /everything/. I and others can only assure you that Windows XP is not chronic rubbish. It *does* install on 99% of computers without any problems. If it doesn't install on your machine then your machine is at fault. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester, UK] Back to top Alan Bellingham Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Andrue Cope <not.a.valid (AT) email (DOT) address.sorry> wrote: Quote: Do web searches. Contact the manufacturer or supplier. /The machine is faulty if it won't support XP/. I doubt if even the most ardent Linux fan would disagree with that. Oh, I know Linux fans who would disagree with you there - the ones happily running Linux on their Macs. <snigger> Seriously, though, if the machine is _meant_ to support XP, and it doesn't, then yes, it's faulty. Alan Bellingham -- Team Mongolian Wok <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/> Borland newsgroup descriptions <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/netiquette.html> netiquette Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Alan Bellingham, Quote: Seriously, though, if the machine is _meant_ to support XP, and it doesn't, then yes, it's faulty. Hmmm. Yeah. OTOH I'd be surprised if anyone produced a PC for the mass market that wasn't intended to run XP. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester, UK] Back to top Alan Bellingham Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Andrue Cope <not.a.valid (AT) email (DOT) address.sorry> wrote: Quote: Hmmm. Yeah. OTOH I'd be surprised if anyone produced a PC for the mass market that wasn't intended to run XP. Depends. Some definitions of 'PC' include the Mac. Alan Bellingham -- Team Mongolian Wok <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/> Borland newsgroup descriptions <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/netiquette.html> netiquette Back to top Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Windows XP and the future of Windows Alan Bellingham, Quote: Hmmm. Yeah. OTOH I'd be surprised if anyone produced a PC for the mass market that wasn't intended to run XP. Depends. Some definitions of 'PC' include the Mac. 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