BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Working with C++ Builder X          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Joe Guest Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:08 am    Post subject: Working with C++ Builder X Hey, I'm using Delphi and C++ Builder 6 and have now downloaded C++ Builder X Enterprise Trial. So I am completely new to it. It was not was I expected - a successor to C++ Builder 6 - but maybe I did use it the wrong way. 1. Is C++ Builder X the successor of C++ Builder X? 2. Where is the component toolbar? May be it is not availible in the Trial Edition? 3. Where are the VCL classes? May be the are not availible in the Trial Edition? 4. Where is the GUI Designer? Do I have to install different AdOn's therefore? 5. Where is database connectivity? Thanks, Joe Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: Working with C++ Builder X "Joe" <NOSPAM (AT) NO (DOT) SPAM> wrote Quote: 1. Is C++ Builder X the successor of C++ Builder X? Yes, and no. Yes, in that it is the new C++ development product from this point on. No, in that it does not belong to previous BCB product line. CBX is a completely new product. The BCB product line, as it current stands, ends with BCB6. Quote: 2. Where is the component toolbar? It has not been implemented yet. The RAD features for CBX are still in development, they will be included in a near-future release of CBX. Quote: 3. Where are the VCL classes? There are none at this time. Quote: 4. Where is the GUI Designer? There is none at this time, although I hear that there is a previous version of a designer available for the new C++ framework that CBX is introducing. The full version designer will be included in a near-future release of CBX. Quote: 5. Where is database connectivity? There is none at this time. In its current form, CBX is *not* a replacement for BCB, it is not a visual development environment. The only reason it was released at all is because it reached a point where it would be useful to a large community of non-VCL, non-visual developers. The RAD/visual features will come later. If you need VCL/RAD, then continue to use BCB. It is possible to compile BCB projects in CBX, as it includes BCB6's compiler and linker, if you have BCB6 available as well so that you can use its library binaries. However, you cannot edit your visual forms or data modules in CBX at this time. In the meantime, Borland is currently working on releasing 2 Open Letters soon that will explain Borland's plans for CBX and the future of the VCL in CBX. Gambit Back to top Joe Guest Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 9:47 am    Post subject: Re: Working with C++ Builder X Remy, thank you for your detailed explanations. But I have a last question: What are the 2500€ for? Everything important is missing in this product. I think the view of a "near future release" does not motivate anybody to spend so much money :-) I have to say that I am shocked to hear that C++ Builder 6 is the end of the BCB Line. What about my investments in code, components and knowledge? Joe Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote: Quote: "Joe" <NOSPAM (AT) NO (DOT) SPAM> wrote in message news:3f93a5fa$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... 1. Is C++ Builder X the successor of C++ Builder X? Yes, and no. Yes, in that it is the new C++ development product from this point on. No, in that it does not belong to previous BCB product line. CBX is a completely new product. The BCB product line, as it current stands, ends with BCB6. 2. Where is the component toolbar? It has not been implemented yet. The RAD features for CBX are still in development, they will be included in a near-future release of CBX. 3. Where are the VCL classes? There are none at this time. 4. Where is the GUI Designer? There is none at this time, although I hear that there is a previous version of a designer available for the new C++ framework that CBX is introducing. The full version designer will be included in a near-future release of CBX. 5. Where is database connectivity? There is none at this time. In its current form, CBX is *not* a replacement for BCB, it is not a visual development environment. The only reason it was released at all is because it reached a point where it would be useful to a large community of non-VCL, non-visual developers. The RAD/visual features will come later. If you need VCL/RAD, then continue to use BCB. It is possible to compile BCB projects in CBX, as it includes BCB6's compiler and linker, if you have BCB6 available as well so that you can use its library binaries. However, you cannot edit your visual forms or data modules in CBX at this time. In the meantime, Borland is currently working on releasing 2 Open Letters soon that will explain Borland's plans for CBX and the future of the VCL in CBX. Gambit Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Working with C++ Builder X Joe wrote: Quote: Hey, I'm using Delphi and C++ Builder 6 and have now downloaded C++ Builder X Enterprise Trial. So I am completely new to it. It was not was I expected - a successor to C++ Builder 6 - but maybe I did use it the wrong way. The current release is not a successor to BCB6. Have a look at the messages here, and on the BDN site. -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Back to top Marco Guest Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Working with C++ Builder X I spent thousands of Euros for the "Enterprise Studio for C++" version. I did not know I was buying an incomplete version. Since I am a new Borland user I do not have either an older version of CBX. So now I sit on an expensive unfinished version and my project risks to end in a desaster because I cannot develop it properly. Borland does also not have an answer if the complete version will be released within days, weeks or even months. Maybe I just should forget about this product and switch to Microsoft .NET or so to be able to at least start my development. Marco "Joe" <NOSPAM (AT) NO (DOT) SPAM> wrote Quote: Remy, thank you for your detailed explanations. But I have a last question: What are the 2500€ for? Everything important is missing in this product. I think the view of a "near future release" does not motivate anybody to spend so much money :-) I have to say that I am shocked to hear that C++ Builder 6 is the end of the BCB Line. What about my investments in code, components and knowledge? Joe Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote: "Joe" <NOSPAM (AT) NO (DOT) SPAM> wrote in message news:3f93a5fa$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... 1. Is C++ Builder X the successor of C++ Builder X? Yes, and no. Yes, in that it is the new C++ development product from this point on. No, in that it does not belong to previous BCB product line. CBX is a completely new product. The BCB product line, as it current stands, ends with BCB6. 2. Where is the component toolbar? It has not been implemented yet. The RAD features for CBX are still in development, they will be included in a near-future release of CBX. 3. Where are the VCL classes? There are none at this time. 4. Where is the GUI Designer? There is none at this time, although I hear that there is a previous version of a designer available for the new C++ framework that CBX is introducing. The full version designer will be included in a near-future release of CBX. 5. Where is database connectivity? There is none at this time. In its current form, CBX is *not* a replacement for BCB, it is not a visual development environment. The only reason it was released at all is because it reached a point where it would be useful to a large community of non-VCL, non-visual developers. The RAD/visual features will come later. If you need VCL/RAD, then continue to use BCB. It is possible to compile BCB projects in CBX, as it includes BCB6's compiler and linker, if you have BCB6 available as well so that you can use its library binaries. However, you cannot edit your visual forms or data modules in CBX at this time. In the meantime, Borland is currently working on releasing 2 Open Letters soon that will explain Borland's plans for CBX and the future of the VCL in CBX. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Working with C++ Builder X "Joe" <NOSPAM (AT) NO (DOT) SPAM> wrote Quote: What are the 2500€ for? Why ask me? I don't set Borland's prices. For the most part, I'm just a user, like you. Borland's pricing plans are for Borland to know internally. Quote: I have to say that I am shocked to hear that C++ Builder 6 is the end of the BCB Line. What about my investments in code, components and knowledge? Please wait for the upcoming Open Letters to address those issues. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Working with C++ Builder X "Marco" <unknown (AT) unknown (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I spent thousands of Euros for the "Enterprise Studio for C++" version. I did not know I was buying an incomplete version. Since I am a new Borland user I do not have either an older version of CBX. There is no old version of CBX. CBX was only released a month or so ago, it is still in version 1.0. Perhaps you meant an older version of BCB instead? 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