BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  wxWindows Designer Proposal          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Kathire Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:06 am    Post subject: wxWindows Designer Proposal Hi, I have post a small proposal/demo for a wxWindows Designer in the attachments group. Please check the program and if anyone is interested in working on it. The main reasons for me to investigate a solution for the wxWindows designer are: 1)The current wxWindows Dialog Editors (commerical/ Free) sucks big time, because all of them want you to implement layout widgets. 2)There is no wx Designer that resembles Delphi ). 3) There is no QT like Designer (for VC++) that can be invoked directly from the IDE. 4)I find it odd that there is an amazing power with Delphi for creating a wxWindows dialog Creator, but lot of people failed to see things in a collective manner. 5)I dont want to shell out 1k for prof. CBX just to use the preview of the wxWindows Designer. 6)Thought it will be good add-on for Dev C++ (lot of WxWindows users use it now a days) Before trying to comment about the proposal please note : 1)I'm not a Delphi Component Developer so If you see any problem with the components I have created to aid the wxWidgets, please feel free to correct them. I'm using hell lot of components and I'm only trying to assemble different things to make a constructive app, so please feel free to help me in advanced Delphi topics. 2)I'm a total wxWindows newbie (thats the reason I started this project - just to have the same user experience I had with Delphi ) , so please feel free to correct me if I have done something wrong with the code generation. The following are the components you need to compile the program. 1)The designer is created with "Runtime Design System" by Kazuhiro Sasaki. You can download it from torry.net 2)Latest JVCL 2.10 (for Object Inspector and syntax highlighter) 3)Custom Components to mimic the wxWindows Widgets (Only wxButton and wxLabel at this time). 4) Thememanager. Currently the Program can generate Code for 1) Variables for button and Label widgets 2) Control Creation Code for button and Label widgets 3) Control ID creation Code for button and Label widgets One the basic things are completed, I’m sure adding different windows will be a very easy. Hope this will be a good starting point for a good wxWindows Designer. -Kathire Back to top Ken de Camargo Jr. Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Designer Proposal Peter Agricola wrote: Quote: 1)The current wxWindows Dialog Editors (commerical/ Free) sucks big time, because all of them want you to implement layout widgets. Lay-out widgets are very important for good looking interfaces on different platforms. As implemented in existing designers for wxWindows, I have to agree with Kathire, they suck big time. No dispute over the importance of layout widgets, but (a) they *force* you to use them and (b) the whole designing interface is totally counter-intuitive and a mess to work with, IMHO. The exception to this is VisualWX, which is still in Alpha state but looks much promising. http://visualwx.altervista.org/ -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Back to top Peter Agricola Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Designer Proposal "Kathire" wrote: Quote: The main reasons for me to investigate a solution for the wxWindows designer are: 1)The current wxWindows Dialog Editors (commerical/ Free) sucks big time, because all of them want you to implement layout widgets. Lay-out widgets are very important for good looking interfaces on different platforms. Peter Back to top Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Designer Proposal Ken, Peter didn't listen to the same argument when I made it over three weeks ago, but since you've decided to tackle the point, here's an extra $0.02. The current wxWindows layout management structure BLOWS. Most "Cross platform UI's" are rather monolithic looking, and most "non-technical" users tend to shy away from them because of just that. "Ken de Camargo Jr." <rb.moc.arret@jcrk> wrote Quote: Peter Agricola wrote: 1)The current wxWindows Dialog Editors (commerical/ Free) sucks big time, because all of them want you to implement layout widgets. Lay-out widgets are very important for good looking interfaces on different platforms. As implemented in existing designers for wxWindows, I have to agree with Kathire, they suck big time. No dispute over the importance of layout widgets, but (a) they *force* you to use them and (b) the whole designing interface is totally counter-intuitive and a mess to work with, IMHO. The exception to this is VisualWX, which is still in Alpha state but looks much promising. http://visualwx.altervista.org/ -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Back to top Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Designer Proposal The last build of Visualwx I saw ( about a month ago ) was pretty lame....but I'll give it the benefit of a doubt, and download/try it out. "Ken de Camargo Jr." <rb.moc.arret@jcrk> wrote Quote: Peter Agricola wrote: 1)The current wxWindows Dialog Editors (commerical/ Free) sucks big time, because all of them want you to implement layout widgets. Lay-out widgets are very important for good looking interfaces on different platforms. As implemented in existing designers for wxWindows, I have to agree with Kathire, they suck big time. No dispute over the importance of layout widgets, but (a) they *force* you to use them and (b) the whole designing interface is totally counter-intuitive and a mess to work with, IMHO. The exception to this is VisualWX, which is still in Alpha state but looks much promising. http://visualwx.altervista.org/ -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Back to top Ken de Camargo Jr. Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Designer Proposal Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. wrote: Quote: The current wxWindows layout management structure BLOWS. Most "Cross platform UI's" are rather monolithic looking, and most "non-technical" users tend to shy away from them because of just that. Hi Marcelo, BLOWS as in is "very good" or "sucks badly"? :) -- Ken MoNBH/MDNPEI http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Hey! Someone left a tagline here: Back to top Ken de Camargo Jr. Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Designer Proposal Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. wrote: Quote: The last build of Visualwx I saw ( about a month ago ) was pretty lame....but I'll give it the benefit of a doubt, and download/try it out. The version I've been toying with is 0.77e - haven't done much myself, but got the impression the guy's on an interesting track. -- Ken MoNBH/MDNPEI http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Hey! Someone left a tagline here: Back to top Peter Agricola Guest Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Designer Proposal "Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr." wrote: Quote: Ken, Peter didn't listen to the same argument when I made it over three weeks ago, but since you've decided to tackle the point, here's an extra $0.02. ?? Do you have a link? 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