BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  wxWindows Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Rhys Sage Guest Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 9:53 pm    Post subject: wxWindows Ok. I've heard mention of wxWindows. What is it? I can see an advantage in using a platform independent programming language and windows-style libraries that use the same access commands for different platforms. IE, the main program is written in C++/Pascal/Java/Eiffel/etc then a .dll is attached that handles all the visual functions so that the same program (with an appropriate .dll) can be used on Mac, Windows, BeOs and Linux. Taking a program from Windows to work on Linux would simply be a matter of transferring the program but uniting it with the correct .dll. I might be talking out of my hat but I think it's probably possible. Is wxWindows anything like this? -- Yours, Rhys Sage. www.sageworld.freeserve.co.uk for code snippets and software downloads. -- Vini vidi vici -- (Team Zip) Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows "Rhys Sage" <No.Spam@ta> wrote Quote: Ok. I've heard mention of wxWindows. What is it? http://www.wxwindows.org Quote: I can see an advantage in using a platform independent programming language and windows-style libraries that use the same access commands for different platforms. IE, the main program is written in C++/Pascal/Java/Eiffel/etc then a .dll is attached that handles all the visual functions so that the same program (with an appropriate .dll) can be used on Mac, Windows, BeOs and Linux. That is a completely different matter. The issue around using wxWindows is that it allows the same source code to be compiled into a single executable under different platforms *without* using external modules/dlls befing used. Quote: Taking a program from Windows to work on Linux would simply be a matter of transferring the program but uniting it with the correct .dll. I might be talking out of my hat but I think it's probably possible. Possible, but overkill. First off because the library formats are different under each platform so they have to be loaded in a platform-specific manner, thus polluting the code. And second, the executables themselves are different for each platform, so you can't simply compile an executable under one platform and copy it to another platform and expect it to run. The executable has to be compiled for the specific platform that it is going to be run under. Gambit Back to top Ken de Camargo Jr. [*TTFK Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote: Quote: That is a completely different matter. The issue around using wxWindows is that it allows the same source code to be compiled into a single executable under different platforms without using external modules/dlls befing used. Although you can use it in dynamic libraries too if you want. -- Ken [*The Team Formerly Known As D] MoNBH/MDNPEI http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Hey! Someone left a tagline here: Back to top Digby Millikan Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:13 am    Post subject: Re: wxWindows So does wxWindows not only replace VCL but also WinAPI and other API's? Digby Millikan Geolite Mining Systems http://www.users.on.net/digbym Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: wxWindows "Digby Millikan" <digbym (AT) internode (DOT) on.net> wrote Quote: So does wxWindows not only replace VCL but also WinAPI and other API's? No. Like any other platform framework, it sits on top of the platform's own API at the lower levels, and just adds layers of abstraction so that your code doesn't have to deal with the platform APIs directly, but the API itself still exists, and like the VCL, it provides access to the lower level objects provided by the platform if you wish to use the API directlty to manipulate them. And as for it replacing the VCL, that is still to be seen... Gambit Back to top Digby Millikan Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote Quote: And as for it replacing the VCL, that is still to be seen... Gambit Hopefully not! I've just written 85,000 lines of code with VCL. VCL seems to have reached a satisfactory level of development that there should be no reason Borland could not continue to have it in their compiler and also in the IDE, as it needs minimal ongoing maintenance to retain a system that has taken so long to develop. The ideal path most users would like to see would be a product where users have the option of developing code in VCL or wxWindows, or a combination of both, so users can establish the portability of code themselves. Looking forward to hearing the news from Borland! Regards Digby Millikan http://www.users.on.net/digbym Back to top Ken de Camargo Jr. [*TTFK Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Digby Millikan wrote: Quote: Looking forward to hearing the news from Borland! It will be a while. And don't hold many expectations. -- Ken [*The Team Formerly Known As D] MoNBH/MDNPEI http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Hey! Someone left a tagline here: Back to top Jeff Weir Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Digby Millikan wrote: Quote: The ideal path most users would like to see would be a product where users have the option of developing code in VCL or wxWindows, or a combination of both, so users can establish the portability of code themselves. And the compiler that works with the VCL can forget about 100% Standard C++ langauge conformance, right? No boost, loki, etc. That's what C++BuilderX is for. Freeze the compiler at version 5.6.x. Update it, but only when it is required to maintain compatibility with the updated VCL. This is a reasonable trade-off isn't it? reagrds, jeff Back to top Ken de Camargo Jr. [*TTFK Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Jeff Weir wrote: Quote: And the compiler that works with the VCL can forget about 100% Standard C++ langauge conformance, right? Nope. AFAIK the standard does not ban extensions. -- Ken [*The Team Formerly Known As D] MoNBH/MDNPEI http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Hey! Someone left a tagline here: Back to top Edward Diener Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Jeff Weir wrote: Quote: Digby Millikan wrote: The ideal path most users would like to see would be a product where users have the option of developing code in VCL or wxWindows, or a combination of both, so users can establish the portability of code themselves. And the compiler that works with the VCL can forget about 100% Standard C++ langauge conformance, right? No boost, loki, etc. That's what C++BuilderX is for. Freeze the compiler at version 5.6.x. Update it, but only when it is required to maintain compatibility with the updated VCL. This is a reasonable trade-off isn't it? There is no reason that Borland couldn't theoretically create a 100% Standard C++ language compiler and have a compiler switch, to be turned on for VCL programming, which also accepts VCL extensions and VCL-isms and still allows 100% Ansi C++ compliance in non-VCL related code. Back to top Jeff Weir Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Ken de Camargo Jr. [*TTFKAD] wrote: Quote: Nope. AFAIK the standard does not ban extensions. My point was VCL compatibilty is more important than cross platform/compiler portability - sorry to have confused the issue. regards, jeff Back to top Jeff Weir Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows Edward Diener wrote: Quote: There is no reason that Borland couldn't theoretically create a 100% Standard C++ language compiler and have a compiler switch, to be turned on for VCL programming, which also accepts VCL extensions and VCL-isms and still allows 100% Ansi C++ compliance in non-VCL related code. Of course that is true. But, just in case they think that it's is more trouble than it's worth I am happy with the current language support. I just want to keep using C++ and the VCL. regards, jeff Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows "Digby Millikan" <digbym (AT) internode (DOT) on.net> wrote Quote: Hopefully not! I've just written 85,000 lines of code with VCL. My company's primary product contains over 2 million lines of code and over 50 forms. Quote: VCL seems to have reached a satisfactory level of development that there should be no reason Borland could not continue to have it in their compiler and also in the IDE It has already been proven that BCB6's VCL can be used in CBX, it just can't be visually designed because there are no VCL editors in CBX at this time. Quote: as it needs minimal ongoing maintenance to retain a system that has taken so long to develop. Except for the fact that the VCL is primarily maintained by the Delphi development group, not the C++ group. Certain reorganizations at Borland causes the two groups to go their separate ways, essentially telling the C++ group that if they want to continue providing support for the VCL, they would have to do it themselves. At least that is how I heard it. And then with the introduction of CBX, there was a decision to be made - 1) maintain the Pascal VCL as-is, 2) re-write the Pascal VCL in C++ but otherwise keep it the same, or 3) make a new library from scratch to take advantage of the C++ language and its features. There were early experiments done with #2, and from what I had heard awhile back, there was some success with it. Later on, when I heard that #3 was being persued instead, I was just as surprised as everyone else to hear it. Why they did not continue to persue #2, I do not know even to this day. Gambit Back to top AlisdairM Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote in news:3f89cc34$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com: Quote: My company's primary product contains over 2 million lines of code and over 50 forms. <quickly scans source tree> Close to 500 forms in ours, although only 1 million lines of code. Pointlessly competitive? Who, me? <g> AlisdairM Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: wxWindows "AlisdairM" <alisdair.meredith (AT) uk (DOT) renaultf1.com> wrote Quote: Close to 500 forms in ours Ouch Gambit Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.