BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? "borland" <davisneilp (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: will cbx team redesign it ? The CBX team itself, no. wxWindows is still under the control of the open-source community, and will remain so. However, the CBX team is working in partnership with the wxWindows developers, contributing code and such, to add additional features to wxWindows, such as extended RTTI, making sure everything is exception safe (not exception handling, just safety), etc. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? "borland" <davisneilp (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: you mean that wxwindows in cbx will be better than vcl? It it way too soon to know. We'l just have to wait and see how things actually play out over time. Quote: can you describe new features on wxwindows particularly? Not specifically at this time, no. Gambit Back to top borland Guest Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:27 pm    Post subject: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? In these days I used wxwindows to delelop some programs . but I found it is not so good for RAD.. and vcl is very good. will cbx team redesign it ? Back to top borland Guest Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? you mean that wxwindows in cbx will be better than vcl? components can be set properties? can you describe new features on wxwindows particularly? thanks a lot !! "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote Quote: "borland" <davisneilp (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fab3983$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... will cbx team redesign it ? The CBX team itself, no. wxWindows is still under the control of the open-source community, and will remain so. However, the CBX team is working in partnership with the wxWindows developers, contributing code and such, to add additional features to wxWindows, such as extended RTTI, making sure everything is exception safe (not exception handling, just safety), etc. Gambit Back to top davisneilp Guest Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 1:30 am    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? ok,thank you very much! we all wait for it . "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote Quote: "borland" <davisneilp (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fab54be (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... you mean that wxwindows in cbx will be better than vcl? It it way too soon to know. We'l just have to wait and see how things actually play out over time. can you describe new features on wxwindows particularly? Not specifically at this time, no. Gambit Back to top Vyacheslav Yermolaev Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: news:3fab3b57$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "borland" <davisneilp (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fab3983$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... will cbx team redesign it ? The CBX team itself, no. wxWindows is still under the control of the open-source community, and will remain so. However, the CBX team is working in partnership with the wxWindows developers, contributing code and such, to add additional features to wxWindows, such as extended RTTI, making sure everything is exception safe (not exception handling, just safety), etc. Without exception handling, but with just exception safety? AreYou kidding? How? On principle: no exceptions - no problems? You scare me. What here is ANSI C++ ? Vyacheslav Yermolaev Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:47 am    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? "Vyacheslav Yermolaev" <yermolaev (AT) parmamed (DOT) ru> wrote Quote: Without exception handling, but with just exception safety? AreYou kidding? How? On principle: no exceptions - no problems? No, on the principle that if something *does* happen, that things will be managed and cleaned up correctly. Gambit Back to top Hendrik Schober Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? Remy Lebeau (TeamB) <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: [...] No, on the principle that if something *does* happen, that things will be managed and cleaned up correctly. While I believe that you don't need to actually catch exceptions in order to write exception-safe code (well, mostly, anyway), I also think that wxWindows is far from this state. Very far, in fact. Quote: Gambit Schobi -- [email]SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de[/email] is never read I'm Schobi at suespammers org "And why should I know better by now/When I'm old enough not to?" Beth Orton Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? "Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote Quote: While I believe that you don't need to actually catch exceptions in order to write exception-safe code That is the point, yes. Quote: I also think that wxWindows is far from this state. Very far, in fact. Hense Borland's current efforts to implement it in wxWindows. Gambit Back to top Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? Implement ? You mean "re-write"....because when you get down to it, the exception handling scheme within wxWindows would have to be re-written to not only "implement" this "safety" you're talking about ( and "safety" is a pretty nebulous term, there, Remy ), but such that it will map well to each of the underlying OS's architecture. "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote Quote: I also think that wxWindows is far from this state. Very far, in fact. Hense Borland's current efforts to implement it in wxWindows. Gambit Back to top Hendrik Schober Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. <mlopez (AT) voicerite (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: [...] but such that it will map well to each of the underlying OS's architecture. I thought we were talking exception safety here? What's that got to do with the OS? Quote: [...] Schobi -- [email]SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de[/email] is never read I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org "And why should I know better by now/When I'm old enough not to?" Beth Orton Back to top Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? "Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr." <mlopez (AT) voicerite (DOT) com> writes: Quote: Implement ? You mean "re-write"....because when you get down to it, the exception handling scheme within wxWindows would have to be re-written to not only "implement" this "safety" you're talking about ( and "safety" is a pretty nebulous term, there, Remy ), but such that it will map well to each of the underlying OS's architecture. HUH? Exception safety is not a nebulous term. There are good working definitions for it, and what the various levels of this safety involve. C++ exceptions are OS independent, so that is completely a non-issue. -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Oscar Fuentes Guest Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? "Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de> writes: Quote: Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. <mlopez (AT) voicerite (DOT) com> wrote: [...] but such that it will map well to each of the underlying OS's architecture. I thought we were talking exception safety here? What's that got to do with the OS? I was told by knowledgeable people that Windows doesn't guarantee C++ exceptions to work across callbacks. -- Oscar Back to top Alan Bellingham Guest Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:41 pm    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? Oscar Fuentes <ofv (AT) wanadoo (DOT) es> wrote: Quote: I was told by knowledgeable people that Windows doesn't guarantee C++ exceptions to work across callbacks. Across what callbacks? Across ones where your code is calling your code? In that case, there's something seriously broken. Across ones where Windows is calling your code? Well, yeah. But C++ exceptions are not guaranteed across language boundaries (they're after all C++ exceptions). What you do is _you_ catch _all_ exceptions at such a boundary, and deal with/report the error in some other way. Alan Bellingham -- Team Thai Kingdom <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/> Borland newsgroup descriptions <url:http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/netiquette.html> netiquette Back to top Oscar Fuentes Guest Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: wxwindows will be redesigned in cbx ? Alan Bellingham <alanb (AT) episys (DOT) com> writes: Quote: I was told by knowledgeable people that Windows doesn't guarantee C++ exceptions to work across callbacks. Across what callbacks? Across ones where your code is calling your code? Of course not. Quote: In that case, there's something seriously broken. Across ones where Windows is calling your code? Well, yeah. But C++ exceptions are not guaranteed across language boundaries (they're after all C++ exceptions). .... and as Windows is not coded in a C++-exceptions aware language, the OS influentiates the definition of "exception-safe" for a piece of code, which implies... Quote: What you do is _you_ catch _all_ exceptions at such a boundary, and deal with/report the error in some other way. .... and hence wxWindows must catch exceptions to be exception-safe, which is the topic of this sub-thread. -- Oscar Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.