BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Xavier's Book Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message TObject Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:15 am    Post subject: Xavier's Book Finally finished reading Xavier's book. I go to the Amazon site, and see "Be the first to review this book". So, I review, and hit the submit button. What I see? Captain Jake bet me to it, and got his review up. Given, we know the number of pages, and when the book hit the streets, I think we can calculate the average speed of reading, and conclude that most folks who got the book right away are finishing reading it by now. So, what do you think about the book? And, whose Delphi book are we going to read next? Back to top JoeH Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Quote: So, what do you think about the book? I think this is a great Delphi book. The examples are very good imo. (not quite finished reading my copy yet) JoeH Back to top Carl Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book I have read the first 12 chapters. Good book. Highly recommended to all the Delphi for NET developers. "TObject" <TObject (AT) pronografics (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Finally finished reading Xavier's book. I go to the Amazon site, and see "Be the first to review this book". So, I review, and hit the submit button. What I see? Captain Jake bet me to it, and got his review up. Given, we know the number of pages, and when the book hit the streets, I think we can calculate the average speed of reading, and conclude that most folks who got the book right away are finishing reading it by now. So, what do you think about the book? And, whose Delphi book are we going to read next? Back to top Kyriacos Michael Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Quote: Finally finished reading Xavier's book. I go to the Amazon site, and see "Be the first to review this book". So, I review, and hit the submit button. What I see? Captain Jake bet me to it, and got his review up. You still have the chance to be the first at the co.uk site ;-) Back to top Octavio Hernandez Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Great book in my opinion. Only one complaint: not a single word about VCL.NET, migration and simultaneous maintenance od Win32 and .NET sources! Regards, OH "TObject" <TObject (AT) pronografics (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:40eb785f$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Finally finished reading Xavier's book. I go to the Amazon site, and see "Be the first to review this book". So, I review, and hit the submit button. What I see? Captain Jake bet me to it, and got his review up. Given, we know the number of pages, and when the book hit the streets, I think we can calculate the average speed of reading, and conclude that most folks who got the book right away are finishing reading it by now. So, what do you think about the book? And, whose Delphi book are we going to read next? Back to top Xavier Pacheco Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Quote: Great book in my opinion. Only one complaint: not a single word about VCL.NET, migration and simultaneous maintenance od Win32 and .NET sources! I really would have like to have covered this topic extensively. I was limited in how many pages I could turn in and therefore, had to make a decision on what not to write about. Given that my target audience was primarily Delphi developers, already familiar with VCL, I decided not to cover VCL.NET but instead to ask the publisher to include our VCL book on the CD. I realize it's not the complete solution, but it's better than nothing. Another reason I opted not to cover it was because I really wanted to avoid repeating content covered in the last 5 books. This book was literally a brand new book - not an updated edition. I understand that I had to make a decision about what was important to teach here. My original goals were to 1. Teach existing Delphi developers .NET. 2. Teach new .NET developers .NET by using Delphi. VCL.NET would have been a nice add-on chapter to include (like the mono chapter) and frankly, I think the mono chapter is proving to be the better choice. Thanks for the comments/critique on the book, I would welcome any emails to let me know where something may have been left out or incorrectly said so that I may correct them. I also have to realize that I am writing to a community whose development talents far exceed my own and therefore, sincerely appreciate your feedback. - x Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Hi Xavier, (more detailed feedback and the review preview is coming by e-mail), Quote: I really would have like to have covered this topic extensively. I was limited in how many pages I could turn in and therefore, had to make a decision on what not to write about. Apart from the lack of VCL for .NET (and migration) coverage, I was also a bit disappointed to find only one chapter on the Borland Data Providers (the last chapter in the ADO.NET section of the book). I would have hoped to see examples of using BDP with ASP.NET as well. As a consequence, the DB Web controls were not covered either (they only work completely with BDP in ASP.NET, as far as I've experienced). Another "big" topics that I think is missing is coverage on Enterprise Core Objects. Having said that: DB Web controls are only part of Enterprise and higher, and ECO is only part of the Architect edition (and Architect trial edition, of course). Most if not all of the chapters that are in the book are applicable for the all editions of Delphi 8 for .NET (Professional and higher), which is a good thing, of course. Quote: 1. Teach existing Delphi developers .NET. 2. Teach new .NET developers .NET by using Delphi. Ah, and as a result you focused mainly on standard .NET technologies and solutions, I reckon? (like ADO.NET instead of BDP, and the ASP.NET controls instead of DB Web)... Quote: - x Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) Borland Technology Partner Delphi Win32 & .NET training en support - IntraWeb Authorized Trainer Back to top JoeH Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Quote: I can say, quoting a rep from my publisher, that sales "aren't stellar". Folks ! Get out and BUY this book ! JoeH Back to top Xavier Pacheco Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Bob Swart wrote: Quote: Ah, and as a result you focused mainly on standard .NET technologies and solutions, I reckon? Right. The idea here to of course to enable Delphi developers to speak and deal with .NET just as thier Microsoft couterparts can do in C# and VB. With limited space, I didn't want to focus on those things that keep Delphi developers cultish, if you will, but rather get them moving on mainstream technologies. This is not to downplay the importance of technologies like BDP and VCL.NET, but these technologies, vcl.net particularly, are still based on an inheritance model. To have covered it primarily, I believe, would have likely hindered my efforts to help Delphi developers to think .NETish. Besides, this is a smart community, learning VCL.NET and BDP will be cakewalk, I needed to talk about the new stuff given a limit on pages. Now, as it usually goes, my available space increases with updated editions in which case I hope to cover the additional topics. Of course, it all depends on how the book sells for the publisher to decide to do another edition. I can say, quoting a rep from my publisher, that sales "aren't stellar". :( -- x Back to top Octavio Hernandez Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Dear Xavier, Thanks for your (very fast) answer. Is really nice to get in touch with you here! I think you're right in everything you say. My comments regarding VCL.NET were driven by the following facts: a) Although most of my current Delphi .NET customers (we are the main Borland partner in Spain & Portugal) are writing new, pure .NET apps (specially web apps & svcs), I do have too several customers trying to migrate their VCL apps to .NET using VCL.NET. And trying to help them sometimes we run into issues that make us wish we had a good guide on that matter... b) Given the suggested approach for Delphi 9 (unifying Win32 and .NET development under one IDE), I guess VCL.NET programming will become more important as the means for multi-target development. So in my opinion the next edition of the book will need to include some add-on chapters on the subject ;-) Best regards, Octavio Madrid, SPAIN Back to top Xavier Pacheco Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Octavio, Quote: So in my opinion the next edition of the book will need to include some add-on chapters on the subject Thank you very much for your feedback. This seems to be the right way to go with this. In fact, I may go ahead and get working on a paper which I'll post on the web. -- xavier Back to top robin@ozsoft.com.au Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book TObject wrote: Quote: Finally finished reading Xavier's book. I go to the Amazon site, and see "Be the first to review this book". So, I review, and hit the submit button. What I see? Captain Jake bet me to it, and got his review up. Given, we know the number of pages, and when the book hit the streets, I think we can calculate the average speed of reading, and conclude that most folks who got the book right away are finishing reading it by now. So, what do you think about the book? And, whose Delphi book are we going to read next? I have been working with Interbase and MSSQL with my work for a few years now, and dabbling in programming (Using D6). As I am enjoying it and have some basic concepts down when building applications using databases I have recently moved into D8. I am wholly self taught and realise how many blanks that leaves in my know how. Is this (Or any other books) highly recommended to some one in this situation? No book stores in Tasmania (Australia) have any books on Delphi for me to look through and form an opinion of my own so I am looking to buy via reccomendation over the Internet. Any help would be incredibly appreciated. Robin. Back to top Peter Gummer Guest Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:26 am    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book <robin (AT) ozsoft (DOT) com.au> wrote Quote: Is this (Or any other books) highly recommended to some one in this situation? No book stores in Tasmania (Australia) have any books on Delphi for me to look through and form an opinion of my own so I am looking to buy via reccomendation over the Internet. Hi Robin, I haven't read the Delphi 8 book, but Xavier's earlier editions for previous versions have always been the best, in my opinion. All of the other books were either: (a) basically just repeating what was already described more clearly in the documentation that shipped with Delphi, or, (b) very good but very advanced and specialised to particular areas (e.g. Lischner, Kanopka). Given that the documentation that Borland has supplied is incomplete and, in many cases, just plain wrong (describing Win32 things that aren't present in Delphi 8, with no indication that they are not in Delphi , I think you'd be very well advised to buy Xavier's book. - Peter Gummer Back to top robin@ozsoft.com.au Guest Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book Peter Gummer wrote: Quote: robin (AT) ozsoft (DOT) com.au> wrote in message news:40ec8d8f (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Is this (Or any other books) highly recommended to some one in this situation? No book stores in Tasmania (Australia) have any books on Delphi for me to look through and form an opinion of my own so I am looking to buy via reccomendation over the Internet. Hi Robin, I haven't read the Delphi 8 book, but Xavier's earlier editions for previous versions have always been the best, in my opinion. All of the other books were either: (a) basically just repeating what was already described more clearly in the documentation that shipped with Delphi, or, (b) very good but very advanced and specialised to particular areas (e.g. Lischner, Kanopka). Given that the documentation that Borland has supplied is incomplete and, in many cases, just plain wrong (describing Win32 things that aren't present in Delphi 8, with no indication that they are not in Delphi , I think you'd be very well advised to buy Xavier's book. - Peter Gummer Thank you Peter, you have described in points A and B exactly what I was trying to avoid! A question though, what is the book actually called? (Sounds like you have another sale Xavier!) Also, it may be slightly off topic but if there are any other books which come with high reccomendation for someone in my position, I would love to hear about them. Thanks again. Robin Back to top John W. Guest Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:38 am    Post subject: Re: Xavier's Book JoeH wrote: Quote: I can say, quoting a rep from my publisher, that sales "aren't stellar". :( Folks ! Get out and BUY this book ! 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