BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  XP Support in Delphi Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:03 am    Post subject: XP Support in Delphi Does Delphi 7 support Win XP (not will it 'run' on XP, does it support the extra 'features' of XP)? If not, has anyone heard Borland make any commitment to XP support, either for a service pack for Delphi 7, or as something that will be added for Delphi 8? David Erbas-White Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi David Erbas-White wrote: Quote: Does Delphi 7 support Win XP (not will it 'run' on XP, does it support the extra 'features' of XP)? If not, has anyone heard Borland make any commitment to XP support, either for a service pack for Delphi 7, or as something that will be added for Delphi 8? David Erbas-White Please note I'm not asking for anyone to violate any NDAs, I'm asking for publicly available knowledge (albeit perhaps 'little-known' knowledge <G>). David Erbas-White Back to top Paul Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi Delphi 7 new features - from Borland site: --- "New! Windows XPT Themes Enable applications to take part of Windows XP Themes with a look that will blend in with your favorite Windows XP theme Take full advantage of the new Windows XP look for the Windows® common controls library (comctrls.dll version 6.0)" --- Quote: Does Delphi 7 support Win XP (not will it 'run' on XP, does it support the extra 'features' of XP)? If not, has anyone heard Borland make any commitment to XP support, either for a service pack for Delphi 7, or as something that will be added for Delphi 8? David Erbas-White Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi Paul wrote: Quote: Delphi 7 new features - from Borland site: --- "New! Windows XPT Themes Enable applications to take part of Windows XP Themes with a look that will blend in with your favorite Windows XP theme Take full advantage of the new Windows XP look for the Windows® common controls library (comctrls.dll version 6.0)" --- Does Delphi 7 support Win XP (not will it 'run' on XP, does it support the extra 'features' of XP)? If not, has anyone heard Borland make any commitment to XP support, either for a service pack for Delphi 7, or as something that will be added for Delphi 8? David Erbas-White Thanks, but let me re-phrase it slightly. Has anyone actually used, hands-on, some of the XP specific aspects of Delphi 7? Are you satisfied with it, or are there problems? After all, there has been a bit of 'quarreling' about Delph 7 and its support of .NET compilation. The advertisements infer that you can plunge right in to .NET with Delphi 7, when in reality it is a 'preview' edition of the .NET compiler. So, any experience with Delphi 7 and XP operation? David Erbas-White Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi "David Erbas-White" <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Paul wrote: Delphi 7 new features - from Borland site: Thanks, but let me re-phrase it slightly. Has anyone actually used, hands-on, some of the XP specific aspects of Delphi 7? Are you satisfied with it, or are there problems? So, any experience with Delphi 7 and XP operation? It seems to be generally OK. All we needed to do was drop the new XPManifest component onto the main form. Simple components like buttons and spin buttons are OK. Some have had problems with flat scrollbars, but I think there is a workaround available. The more complex components that are simple wrappers for the common controls are OK - e.g. ListView. However, Borland-specific components like the StringGrid still look the same as old. Our problems only started when we tried to get the Office-style XP menus by using the ActionMainMenuBars / XPColorMap etc. - look for my posts and others' in vcl.components.using for the tales of woe. After a couple of weeks of frustrating time-wasting and workarounds it seems to be under control (fingers-crossed). It's a shame as the concept is brilliant, and it's 95% working, but I get the feeling Steve Trefethen's bosses didn't give him enough time to finish it off. If you want to see the end result, download a trial copy of LP Ripper from our website. Try it on a Win 9X and an Win XP machine. Apart from the menus, everything else was taken care of automatically with the XPManifest. Let me know if you spot anything unexpected. Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi "Chris Burrows" <cfbsoftware (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "David Erbas-White" <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3f486b61$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Paul wrote: Delphi 7 new features - from Borland site: Thanks, but let me re-phrase it slightly. Has anyone actually used, hands-on, some of the XP specific aspects of Delphi 7? Are you satisfied with it, or are there problems? So, any experience with Delphi 7 and XP operation? If you want to see the end result, download a trial copy of LP Ripper from our website. Try it on a Win 9X and an Win XP machine. Apart from the menus, everything else was taken care of automatically with the XPManifest. Let me know if you spot anything unexpected. P.S. I should have pointed out that you need to have a stereo WAV file at least 30 seconds long to play around with as most of LP Ripper's functions are irrelevant and disabled until a file is succesfully opened. Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi David Erbas-White wrote: Quote: After all, there has been a bit of 'quarreling' about Delph 7 and its support of .NET compilation. The advertisements infer that you can plunge right in to .NET with Delphi 7, when in reality it is a 'preview' edition of the .NET compiler. If this is true, it is [partly] Borland's fault after all that my local dealer thinks I can use D7 for .Net development. -- Ingvar Nilsen Back to top Yorai Aminov (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:03:26 -0700, David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Does Delphi 7 support Win XP (not will it 'run' on XP, does it support the extra 'features' of XP)? Yes. --- Yorai Aminov (TeamB) http://develop.shorterpath.com/yorai (TeamB cannot answer questions received via email.) Back to top Kristofer Skaug Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi "David Erbas-White"wrote Quote: the extra 'features' of XP)? What sort of 'features' are you talking about? ..NET is anyway not a feature of WinXP. Kristofer Back to top Olivier Beltrami Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi Quote: What sort of 'features' are you talking about? .NET is anyway not a feature of WinXP. The original poster was referring to .NET inasmuch as it was shown that the features list from Borland was deceptive to most people who read it (ie. you cannot do real .Net development because there are no visual tools in the IDE, and some important things plain do not work even if you are a lover of the command-line compiler). Another example is the reference to Unicode etc... in the features list. Reading it one would think one can develop Arabic, Chinese, ... applications, but in reality this is not the case. So the original poster's aprehension on the accuracy of the claims of the features list on XP compatibility is warranted. Olivier Back to top Dr Sigmund Mohammad Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi I would not buy Delphi 7. Wait and see if the next version is any better. There are lots of bugs with the action components, I have reported a bug where you cannot use manifested forms in Dll - they crash. I brought Delphi 7 the week it was released. I will not be as fast to make a purchase this time. Give it a couple of months and keep an eye on the newsgroups for bugs. If you want a stable development environment, you might want to seriously start thinking about moving away from Borland products, although I will reserve my judgement until Delphi 8 comes out, seeing C#Builder doesn't inspire me with confidence. "David Erbas-White" <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Paul wrote: Delphi 7 new features - from Borland site: --- "New! Windows XPT Themes Enable applications to take part of Windows XP Themes with a look that will blend in with your favorite Windows XP theme Take full advantage of the new Windows XP look for the Windows® common controls library (comctrls.dll version 6.0)" --- Does Delphi 7 support Win XP (not will it 'run' on XP, does it support the extra 'features' of XP)? If not, has anyone heard Borland make any commitment to XP support, either for a service pack for Delphi 7, or as something that will be added for Delphi 8? David Erbas-White Thanks, but let me re-phrase it slightly. Has anyone actually used, hands-on, some of the XP specific aspects of Delphi 7? Are you satisfied with it, or are there problems? After all, there has been a bit of 'quarreling' about Delph 7 and its support of .NET compilation. The advertisements infer that you can plunge right in to .NET with Delphi 7, when in reality it is a 'preview' edition of the .NET compiler. So, any experience with Delphi 7 and XP operation? David Erbas-White Back to top Dave Nottage (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi Dr Sigmund Mohammad wrote: Quote: There are lots of bugs with the action components, I have reported a bug where you cannot use manifested forms in Dll D11? Quote: - they crash. Which report is it? Quote: If you want a stable development environment, you might want to seriously start thinking about moving away from Borland products, although I will reserve my judgement until Delphi 8 comes out, seeing C#Builder doesn't inspire me with confidence. FWIW, I haven't had very many problems with it. -- Dave Nottage (TeamB) Back to top Dr Sigmund Mohammad Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi Reported by my colleague, it's number 4167. It hasn't been commented on by Borland in the 4 months since it was reported. It is a show stopper for us. So much for QC. "Dave Nottage (TeamB)" <davidn (AT) nospamola (DOT) smartchat.net.au> wrote Quote: Dr Sigmund Mohammad wrote: There are lots of bugs with the action components, I have reported a bug where you cannot use manifested forms in Dll D11? - they crash. Which report is it? If you want a stable development environment, you might want to seriously start thinking about moving away from Borland products, although I will reserve my judgement until Delphi 8 comes out, seeing C#Builder doesn't inspire me with confidence. FWIW, I haven't had very many problems with it. -- Dave Nottage (TeamB) Back to top Dr Sigmund Mohammad Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:28 pm    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi But why have *i* got to pay to get bugs in somebody else's sloppy programming fixed, or even acknowledged? it seems wrong to me. So is there any point in us using QC then? "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Dr Sigmund Mohammad wrote: Reported by my colleague, it's number 4167. It hasn't been commented on by Borland in the 4 months since it was reported. It is a show stopper for us. So much for QC. Since QC is not expected to get comments from Borland then your expectation is wrong. Please judge QC on what it is supposed to do, not what you think it should do. You need feedback from Borland you need to open a paid support issue with Dev Support. QC is in no way was ever intended to replace dev support. If you are waiting on Borland to comment on your QC report then you will have a long wait because that is not what QC is supposed to be for (giving you direct responses from Borland). -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) If there is somebody up there could they throw me down a line. Just a little helping hand just a little understanding. Just some answers to the questions that surround me now. If there's somebody up there could they throw me down a line. (Fish) Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: XP Support in Delphi Dr Sigmund Mohammad wrote: Quote: But why have *i* got to pay to get bugs in somebody else's sloppy programming fixed, or even acknowledged? it seems wrong to me. If it is Borland's bug and you do not wish to have them find a workaround for you you will not get charged. If it is your bug or they help you with a workaround you will. You are not paying to submit a bug. If you want to submit a bug without feedback then you use QC. It is free. That was not way you were complaining about. You want feedback and you won't get it in most cases with QC. It is not the intended purpose of QC to replace Dev support with QC. Quote: So is there any point in us using QC then? Plenty and these have regularly been pointed out in the qualitycentral newsgroup. QC is the official way to get bug reports to Borland. You asked for Borland feedback/comments on your particular bug and QC is not designed for Borland to help you directly with your particular bug. -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) If there is somebody up there could they throw me down a line. Just a little helping hand just a little understanding. Just some answers to the questions that surround me now. If there's somebody up there could they throw me down a line. 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