BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  You gotta appreciate David I Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: You gotta appreciate David I I was just sitting here thinking about how rare it is for the guys at the top of the food-chain to actually poke their heads into the newsgroups and talk the their customers. I'll be you don't see the top guys at MS or IBM doing that. It says volumes about where David I's head is. I for one appreciate it. Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I Quote: *Face it, "Developer Relations" is basically customer relationship management and PR with a fancy name. I am not clear what the Borland "Developer Relations" job is. John Kaster for example has been known to get into 'heated discussions' with customers on a variety of issues. I don't think you'd have to go a long way to find a company of Borland's size and revenue whose customer relations guys actively argue with their customers. Don't get me wrong, I am sure John K's heart is in the right place and John has on his own initiative made trememdous contributions (BDN, Code Central, Quality Central etc) to the relationship between Borland and customers, and has been forthcoming with helpful information when management/others haven't I just think that Borland's customer relationship roles seem to be a category all of their own, invented for Borland rather than doing what others in the industry (or other industries) do. I suspect their major role actually is to (i) liase with large customers (companies with large accounts) and (ii) travel around the world to promote Delphi to user groups etc in various countries. On top of that, individuals such as John K, Anders O, and David I seem to have quite different approaches to their jobs. For eample, John K seems to travel more and has taken up the cause of building infrastructure to a greater degree. David I seems to make more 'official statements'. etc. So the "developer relations" job does not seem uniform across all developer relations employees. That's the way it seems to me anyway, looking at it from the outside . . . Lauchlan M Back to top Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I <Hopeful Skeptic> writes: Quote: I was just sitting here thinking about how rare it is for the guys at the top of the food-chain to actually poke their heads into the newsgroups and talk the their customers. I'll be you don't see the top guys at MS or IBM doing that. It says volumes about where David I's head is. I for one appreciate it. While David is talented at modeling tie-dyed tshirts, he is neither on the "Leadership Team" or the board of directors. He is just a PR* guy, who is doing his job, ie putting a spin on the sale of the IDE business. http://www.borland.com/us/company/leadership/management.html http://www.borland.com/us/company/leadership/board.html A newsgroup posting from a VP, Developer Relations is yawn-worthy. I am much more impressed when Linus Torvalds, Andy Glew (Intel -> AMD ->Intel) and John Mashey (ex MIPS/SGI ) post on the newsgroups and mailing lists, as they do regularly. *Face it, "Developer Relations" is basically customer relationship management and PR with a fancy name. Back to top Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I "Lauchlan M" <LMackinnonAT_NoSpam_ozemailDOTcomDOTau> writes: Quote: *Face it, "Developer Relations" is basically customer relationship management and PR with a fancy name. Quote: I suspect their major role actually is to (i) liase with large customers (companies with large accounts) and (ii) travel around the world to promote Delphi to user groups etc in various countries. Exactly. The point I am making is that David I is not really senior management. He is just a memorable face they use to pull wool over the punter's eyes. Back to top Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I "Lauchlan M" <LMackinnonAT_NoSpam_ozemailDOTcomDOTau> writes: Quote: I am not clear what the Borland "Developer Relations" job is. John Kaster for example has been known to get into 'heated discussions' with customers on a variety of issues. I shall not comment on Mr K, other wise the newsgroup censors will cancel my post. Quote: Don't get me wrong, I am sure John K's heart is in the right place "Heart" is not-equal-to "sense". Back to top Joe Hendricks Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au wrote: Quote: While David is talented at modeling tie-dyed tshirts, he is neither on the "Leadership Team" or the board of directors. He is just a PR* guy, who is doing his job, ie putting a spin on the sale of the IDE business. Very cynical.. we'll know eventually whether you are right or not. I suspect not. JoeH Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I <rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote: not much Are you kidding me? Are you seriously trying to dismiss David I as some kind of feel-good hippy mascot that's acting as a mouth piece for Borland management to hype up the sale? Have you ever seen him speak? Have you ever spoken to him? Do you have any idea what role he plays at Borland and with partners? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but dude, you are way out in the bushes on this one. I'm glad he's actively involved in the details of the sale, that he's sharing some of these with us and that he'll be moving to the new company. His involvement in and enthusiasm for the venture adds credibility. Allen Bauer is involved with and commenting on details of the sale as well. Care to take a shot at him? Or anyone else in DevRel? How about any of the R&D people who have spoken up on the subject? -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Joe Hendricks Guest Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au wrote: Quote: http://www.borland.com/us/company/leadership/management.html http://www.borland.com/us/company/leadership/board.html Meaningless refs, imo. The issue is whether he will have power within the new Devco, and as such, power within the buy-out's contractual agreements. JoeH Back to top Guest Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I "Bruce McGee" <bmcgee (AT) glooscap (DOT) com> writes: Quote: Are you kidding me? Are you seriously trying to dismiss David I as some kind of feel-good hippy mascot that's acting as a mouth piece for Borland management to hype up the sale? Hmmm.... Is he on the board of directors or in the senior management ? Quote: Have you ever seen him speak? Have you ever spoken to him? So, he has a nice spiel. Shrug... Back to top Guest Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I Quote: While David is talented at modeling tie-dyed tshirts, he is neither on the "Leadership Team" or the board of directors. Very cynical.. we'll know eventually whether you are right or not. You dont have to wait. For the composition of the senior management "Leadership Team": http://www.borland.com/us/company/leadership/management.html For the Board of Directors: http://www.borland.com/us/company/leadership/board.html Intersimone is conspicuous by his absence. Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I Quote: It says volumes about where David I's head is. I for one appreciate it. I do too. I'm thankful he'll be part of the DevCo transition as well. -- Brian Moelk bmoelk (AT) NObrainSPAMendeavorHERE (DOT) com http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Mike Both Guest Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I Quote: rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote: So, he has a nice spiel. Shrug... Please, people, note that rambam's negative and cynical posts in this thread, and practically every other thread that he 'contributes' to, are not indicative of the attiude held by other Australians in general. ;^) Rambam, quite seriously - do you suck lemons on the way to work or before you post each day? Almost everything you post is bitter and / or cynical.... --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top Dave Nottage [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I Mike Both wrote: Quote: not indicative of the attiude held by other Australians in general Especially South Australians, eh? <g> -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Have questions?: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Want answers?: http://support.borland.com Back to top Jon Robertson Guest Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I <rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote: Quote: You dont have to wait. For the composition of the senior management "Leadership Team": http://www.borland.com/us/company/leadership/management.html For the Board of Directors: http://www.borland.com/us/company/leadership/board.html Intersimone is conspicuous by his absence. I don't know David. I've met David several times. David would recognize me by sight as a Delphi user. That's about it. From what I know about David, I'm pretty sure that he is absent by his choice, not Borland's. I don't think that's the type of job that David wants. But I'm getting dangerously close to speaking for him... :O -- Jon Robertson Borland Certified Advanced Delphi 7 Developer MedEvolve, Inc http://www.medevolve.com Back to top Allen Bauer Guest Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: You gotta appreciate David I Quote: Are you kidding me? Are you seriously trying to dismiss David I as some kind of feel-good hippy mascot that's acting as a mouth piece for Borland management to hype up the sale? Hmmm.... Is he on the board of directors or in the senior management ? Have you ever seen him speak? Have you ever spoken to him? So, he has a nice spiel. Shrug... David's presence or absense on the corporate site as beeing on the "executive leadership team" in no way should be taken as having any bearing on his influence, both internally and externally. David does, however, appear on the BDN website since that is where his leadership and presence is most needed and utilized. 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